New Book on Fifty Years of Failure

Is it starting Yeah. Oh yeah My brothers, sisters, siblings walk to Penn Sunday schoolool. I'm Matt Domnelly, and we're broadcasting here from Las Vegas. We're all in the same studio in person. It's pretty fun. You should try it. This week, Pen just got back from Atlantic City, or as people say it no way, Atlantic City. And he's got some stories. pllus we both watch DTF Sain. Louis. Here he is prereaching of loveo, brought to you by Masterclass. H's Pen. Yeah, this is Pen prereaching loveo from Masterclass um slash pen. Yeah U we'll talk about more. that's lifelong learning. Lifelong learning learning. We were out at Atlantic City. I get into Atlantic City Wednesday night. I was walking down the boardwalk. It was all quiet on the boardwalk. It was like raining c. No, and I got into my pinkkle was sore, but I was hungry. Yeah. and nothing's opened in Atlantic City because Trump and other people ruined it Right. And um And I decided to walk down to Wahallberger's Okay, which was too long a walk Be you were playing what venue, the hard rock brand you were playing the hard rock And now because thatically used to all be So Bardwalk Central, and then these bigger hotels came in and put in like weirder locations that didn't make things Yeah, but it's still sh of the center So I was going to ask you, I haven't haven't been in a minute. so they have it there on the boardwalk. Yeah. and you go out to the boardwalk And it is You seent me a photo, beautiful photo Yeah You are the only ones in it. You should, you should you should give that to the patrons. I will. I will send a it is It is it is the boy prophets walk it walk at Hansen and Hot. That's what it is. Yeah. It's Glen and I walking down on the board walking. It's aautiful picture. Jonesy took it and So Jones was running ahead of us You get into Atlantic City into a casino and you say, what's open now to eat? Right And it's nine thirty And it says nothing That's it that's sad. That's right. a Jersey guy, right? We you would start your sometimes you would get in the car at midnight. Sure to go to Atlantic City. And everything's open. Yeah. E. That was the whole point. notothing we walk down to Wahberger's Yeah because Wahlberger says it's open until And I don't like to give that Christian fuck money, no offense. It's hard to find a burger place where you're not giving Christian money. That's true. That's trues tr. That's why I stopped eating burgers Um, but they have impossible on the menu. Yeah, yeah It's also Kenny D Camillo who was our fabulous agent who I loved and who died recently. It was the last place I went with him Oh yeah. So I thought I'll limp on down. That's the slogan actually. Limp on There's limp on down. And about it's a little over half mile. Okay. And that's a lot hf mile I started going No it's h just up those stairs g cow doough. Back in the day, you'd at least be harassed by a pedticab for a ride. Sure, sure, sure.. Or there would have been someone to look at O one of the other? Even a junkion ust some not even a junkie. And then you also go buy casinos that completely closed I mean, you look in and you can see where the House of Blues is still there Just everything's boarded up Hm E everything's gone. But of course, you know, it's off season too. It is off season. but back in the day Uh there was no u there was no Connectic casinos travel casinos Basically the only two places you could gamble legally were Atlantic City and Las Vegas mean Atantic City was supposed to be. notot a seasonal town. Right It's a beautiful beach town, but it's not supposed to be. and it has become one because every single state has loosened up their gamling laws to increase their state revenue. Yeah led by the this casinos that darkened their their that darkened the rooms that you were looking into. Right. exactly. exactly. And you know, u Who is now and I can't believe even believe this. Yeah now even the president of the United States Yeah did a lot to hurt Atlantic City Yes. I mean, incredible. There's no love loss there. No. You say Trump, they spit I mean, that's all of that's all of Atlantic City. soon to be all the country. Yeah. And we played Trump Taj Mahal and that's where we're playing, but it's called the hardard Rock now. the same building. Okay. ye. So it's all cold out on the boardwalk. And we're walking down, okay? Yeah. And we get to Wahallberurgerss uh, at, um eleven twenty eight Okay, okay I checked the interternet. It said open to midnight. And I also checked their sign. Okay, open to mnight And we start walking up and the chairs are up on the tables. Now Glen, who you know went to college for restaurant and hotel management. R knows this is a bad sign He know his expertise in this situation So I walk up and there's a woman. nextxt to the cash register. Yeah. what we would call, I guess, kindly a Maatry. sureure. Yeah had Walburgers, the Mat D of Walburger? Yeah and I walk up and I go, excuse me Sir we go I go Was she already wasas she already closing the ledger for all the guests that had made reservations or We closed. We're closed. I'm not doing the proper accent. I'm almost afraid to do the proper acc acc We're closed. I said, wereeren't you A's just supposed to we're closed. Well it says everywhere That you're work closed You you want to let you finish your sentence. So finally I get very assertive As though I'd taken a masterclass. I making your point clearly. And I said It is advertised. being open till midnight Is that correct? Sure, we're closed Sure, we're closed. Yeah, One point to you, loser. Sure S thing. So' right across the way, right? and There was a Chinese place that was supposedly open until midnight. and was letting people in five after midnight Which is why they're beating us at everything. Why they're Communists are better at capitalism than we are. They were open Okay, Okaykay. there weren't a lot of customers But there were a few H they had advertised open to midnight? So Goddamn it to the yearar of the Pony We're open. right? Yeah ye So I walked in and I had some vegan selections Uh huh. So we're having a nice meal. Well We' with Jonesy. so there's a limit how nice. What do you got a spring roll? What what are we getting? What's vegan over there? I got string beans and garlic. Okay. And I got seichuan tofu We're so brown rice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. we're talking not bad at all fine. comp like five, six hundred calories. I comp plenty. I know for my two thousand calorie a day day I can fit that in.. Hn't had much there before, hadad a protein shake had a handful of nuts. Yeah. And now I'm gonna have a little bit of sichuan tofu. You got a problem with that? No, I was curious. I wanted to know. Okay. Atlantic City, at midnight, you're all venuing and ordering on a vegan diet I'm impressed. Yeah. I'm just I'm just want you to confirm. I want you to spike the football. I want to know the order to be like, Wow. It was good. It was good figuring it out. Well, it wasn't completely good because That much garlic that late at t night. notot that I was alone in my room. Yeah, yeah yeah. But still there's a lot of indigestion. Yeah, yeah. Okay, but who cares me I can be in I have I was nauseated for six P put another put put another pill in under there tryry to see a little upright A little bit Yeahah also took a bath, watched a little more ER said, Well, it's not quite as bad as that guy. You've gone to ER. You've taken you've taken the bait on HBO Max to move from the pit over to ER. Yeah. right over. because I said I'm going to see the origin story of this guy. whichich it is the origin story of this say illegal And they're suing them. Are they suing them? I think they at least they said that they deserved a piece when they first started. Yeah, ' it's the same show Oh, we're gonna do a character about a Hillbilly going into the Marine Corps and Gomber Pilees to be one of the characters. No, you can't I don't know why use that example. I don't know either The worst possible example I was I was listening to a podcast and were talking about like like back in the seventies was a glut of like variety shows. Like anytime someone could host a variety show. No such thing as a glut a variety show. V, That's I mean. So' like different people get on TV all the time to do what they actually do. Yeah, right? Yeah. And then for some reason that went completely out of fashion. and now we just want to watch people get arrested. Fight a fire or go to the hospital. Like that's what we you can rely on like' that's what we want to see people do with their lives. That's all there is. That's all there is D. Yeah. And we won we had our variety show, which was, you know, as usual twenty five years too late. So we had no success at all Cincity spectacor. I love Cincity. I wanted to do an episode I wanted to do a what do you call department. Yeah. every week of not what we do best. Yeah because I had read that Clapton didid stained glass. Yes. I want to say we have Eric clamp it on. I just have him doing stained glass Mosic. And yeah, and Springsteen did like fly fishing or something at one point. Yeah. Yeah, some like that. Somehere's a canoeing, I know at one point. kayaking. Yeah. I don't want have not what we do best. It's what we do best U Oh jeez, you're not very good at the kayak. Well I play guitar mostly N byye It was my time. Um So we're droppking about u Why Why to pt the reflecting pool? Yeah, blue. Blue That doesn't matter We say that, right. I got a mouthfulull of Garlic string beans I think Glen's got a spring roll And u Jones, he's got some chicken fried rice, right We're all leading. And we say something about pain to reflecting pool Glint says something about Trump And Jonesie just says, I can't take it I just I just Ive had enough. I can't take it It's the first time we brought up the whole walk Yeah ye. So you guys all took walk together. Yeah. Yeah, yeahah. So you all did the walk together, went to Wahlberger's clothes., went over to Chinese food, order Chinese food. Yeah All there. And then three sentences about the refliclectting pool. Yeah. And I was like, spang. No. And he just went, That whole Trump thing, I just can't take it The Joties been complaining about Trump. Yeah since he started running. when he said he wouldn't win. Yes. And then when Jonesy said he would be out by his birthday Yeah Jonesy's August. He was sure of that. Yeah, we had friends in betty we go to jail. He's been complaining about this all the time. but this' the first time he said I can't take it And he said it loudly likeike this was this was the rubicon. This was the it was painting the reflecting pool is what got. That's what's going gonna do Well, look, he's in South Jersey, so there's someone who's gonna to give him a ride. You know, who wants to shut up two anti Trumpers. There's someone down there to give him a lift back to the hotel. So So I hit my breaking point today Okay Let's talk about Charles Bingus Okay, okay Charles Ming is great bass player. He wrote Two books His last record was Johny Mitchell another reason, Johny Mitchell is high up in the triumvert of Dylan Cohen Mitchell. Yes Bob Ltered Jony Um She was really very musically so much more savvy. musically very savvy. You know If you say more savvy than Leonard Cohen and Bob Dylan, you're daning with faint praise. Right. She was very musically savvy. ill is. Yeah. Mingus Okay, he wrote two books One was Notes of the underdog U A heavy duty thing about being mixed race wororking in jazz and being hot tempered. Remember Duke Ellington Lo this story said to Charles Mingus. Charles I've never fired anyone So you need to take a long time off Bingus turned the trumpet player into a drummer Yeah, by punching him in the face and ruining his lip Oh my god. Yeah, could never play Trump again. I had to charge second career as a drummer. Was it a neighbor hated trrumpet scales Mingus wrote two books. Okay, one Notes of an underdog or, story of an underdog or something of an underdog whichich I've read to Mia Culpa for my neighbor Okay Let me let you can guess that And I'm going to give you right now twenty guesses. of Bic subject of his second book. Oh geez. Okaykay. one The wizard of Island. Jazz three. U football, four. u Fighting. five Fencing. Six, dressage. seven. Bubbles. how many bubbles in bubbled water? Eight. Definition of Fortnite? Nine. Shakespeare. ten Uh hooping. Ill love W' you say Pooping. W' you say at ten? Pooping You said broad category, didn't I? I did say broad category. You did And I did say you had twenty guests. I was really surprised. You were definitely making me go twenty times. I was. Yeah ye I didn't expect to get anything close to write And you thought if you did get something right, Dage you'd be closeer His other book, his other published book Yeah, How to Tilet Train Your cat. Oh my God. Okay. So I was inranged, but not precise. Not precise. I was in rangeed. All I asked's because I was I was, you know, there was a great deal of hubris involved in that. I thought you would never come close and I was going to give you full credit Yeah. Yeah. And pooping. Yeah. And I probably would to give you partial credit for pets. I probably would have, I would have gotten into something pet related by twenty I But you gotta att ten. I gotta at ten. How to toilet train your cap When frit all If there's any animal that we've Very little sought after in the literature sphere. It is potty training your cat. ninety percent of cats Potty train themselves No, no, no, no, this was on the toilet Oh about a toilet train your cat. Oh So you wouldn' I rescind, Y. you would need a litter box Oh, this is a real New York City guy. From LA. but that's not important. It not yeah. This seems like it would be an urban Heavily problem. Bx gut a cat recently, o up in Reno that now move down here. And the cat weighs the cat's full grown cat Yeah weighs seven pounds Tater, the dog. Yeah weighs seventy pounds Okay. so we were going Moxy wanted to bring them together Okay. It seems foolish. It seems foolish I thought that ator would see Fang, which is the cat's name, Fang Balda. That a great name for As a as a Chutoy. Okay, right No Fang Vlda, which is first nameamed just Fang. But second name named after my mother because my mother always had a black cat. So named after my mom was Mob's name was Valda. I love this. I love the name. Fang Valva Little Fang Velvea was a stray. that would you know a rescue cat that lived out on the streets. Yeah Thang is Tough little cat, right So Elijah, boyfriend Yeah of Moxy. is holding By the collar, okay Markx is holding Sang Vlda. Okay, and they are brought cllose together Okay Now they didn't read Mingus's book That's coming up. Okay So I I'm watching Yeah And I turn my back for a moment to plug in my computer because that' my priorities. I want to plug in my laptop so it has play in power. for whatever, I don't know. for the apocalyse for the next big bride. You don't bye. Moxy always points out, do you have any device that falls below seventy five percent? And I said, no, never, never. I've never seen fifty percent So I plug in everything right away. Yeah, yeah And I hear them yell Both of them, rightight And I'm like, o man, Tator just ate the c This is this is going to be bad Tatater, so you know is a poodle. Tatater is a feat Tator Prances. Yeah. and Tator also doesn't look at squirrels or birds. or anything He doesn't look the joke about squirrel. Yeah yeah, he's not driven by doesn't bark at every little animal that comes in barks people people, but not animals So I'm going, well, maybe it's gonna be okay, but he doest like his two toys. carries around all the time. Yeah So, what's you to think about Fang Vlda I go Whoa, whoa, what happened And they said Sang just attack Tater. and Tater's terrified Fang came out with the claws and swatted them right across the nose. This is jailhouse rules. This is jailhouse. Chang walked into the room was like, That's my biggest obstacle. I got to get them right away. Yeah We're not waiting until the showers. No. I'm not having him call me fresh fish gota tell everybody in the block Yeah Yeah. So that's would be like. Since then, they've been brought together. Yeah, and there's been no problem. Fang I gott to let atater know who was boss Listen here. Yeah So I said to himry, my brain went off. I was like, how bad would I be if I went to prison and had to like walk in and assess Wh is the guy got a punch in the face on day one Yeah, I'd be so bad at just figuring out who it is You just punched the guy in the wheelchair. Did't I saw his tats? And his arms his arms look buff. Yeah, has a wheel a wheelchair. That's why his arms are buff. Yeah. So So I said to Moxy because I'm thinking, I'm always trying to get my children Co. A little bit about Bob Dylan. Sure or a little bit about B Bob Jazz Sure. So I said you know, Mingus wrote a book for you box is going, how is this going to follow the rules of conversation? Yeah I go, He wrote a book that I'll buy for you Of course it's all printed online at a PDF and you can find it. And people are looking it up right now. as they're listening to this. As they're going this is one of Penn's flights of fancy. It's not How to Toy the Trained your Cat by Charles Menus I mean, he has no background in anything, right? He just he just thought he got really good at it. Yeah, you had a cat she lo, which is gonna tie into the rest of the story and tie in with Jones's. I can't take it. Okay, o okay, okay. It's all tied together. All right, I thought we were on just one I thought we were on something too. This is one of these buddy Hacket monologues that all the punchlines are done at the very end. You know? I used to do that? Y. Start like five jokes. Yeah, yeah ye moved on, but he bumom, boom, bumom. Yeah. Okay. But that's an interesting thing We should try to think of four jokes that have the same punchline. Would that be great? Yeah and not finish them? boom. That's it for all of them Im My new book. Bingo. Yes. Bingo the elf assassin. Yeah. Piff is reading it now.ave you been reading it? I just cracked it last night. he got to the He get to my favorite joke in the whole book. which I don't think will make publication. Because the Jugggle moie and the story itself Joke I don't think we'll make publication. Okay because I think it'll be cut. B an editor Yeahah for a couple of reasons. the main one being time Boy, when I typed it, it made me laugh Piff sent me just like a paragraph of haa. B joke ever He excerpted I said, Maybe this is a crazy Crazy magic conspiracy. like the John F. Kennedy assassination I'm sorry, the Donald J Trump John F. Kennedy assassination Pretty good joke, right It's a very good joke Anway So I say, box. tryrying to bring the be bop in. Yeah, You should read this book, How to tryally train your cat Mx says, we have a self cleaning litter box that mom got for I dont know. This is you can just use the toilet And Moxy says to me Yeah, that Cats falling and drowned. You can't do that. It's a very bad idea I said, Well, Charles Mingis had the idea. I said Charles Mingus great base player doocumented cats drowning toilets. Big problem. I don't know. couldouldn't get boxed. I had boxed Look it up PBF And she looked it over he looked it over and said No Chattle Down Okay. What we're establishing here. Yeah is that Charles Menus love cats. Yeah. Really important. Okay for the story. Okay. It's also really important for my mental health and what The line is that I could not cross this morning H So I get up in the morning. And of course when I was Atlantic City, I just listened to Eastreet shuffle over and over again. Yeah. Because when you send this picture of the Patreon people, they're going to know that I'm walking at handsome and hot Yeah, everyverybody will say that's handsome and hot. He's walking in handsome and hot and Gunn looks good too Um Then I go and I usually pick you know, how it says so and so and similar artists on Apple music. Yeah. So I do Mingus and similar artists, Miles Davis and similar artists are Blakey and similar artists And I get and It doesn't matter which one I hit, it's all the same music. because they're all similar artists to. Yeah ye And so comes from I think Mingus' album Um a record he's got called yeah I think that's the name of the record. Okay. So what are the first records Jonesy told me to buy? for serious bebop. It's got like a Mondrian type cover. it's just as fifties op. beat as you could be. And Mingus has his, you know, goatee and He's looking just boss Really good. He's digging in on the bass and of course Mingus was a great composer and a great arranger. also played piano But a great bass player. It's great, you know, in the u bunny jungle with Duke Allllington Incredible base player, right and loved his cat Is this going all come together? Yes, it is. So I have my my Apple music set So that it's in the just album cover song. Yeah, right So I can just go quickly, just toggle and see What the song is And I hear this tune And I recognize it I recognize it as Mingus C can't think of the name of it So I toggle Mingus love cats, right I want to see the name of this song. It says A Star Dar Dar Why fact Tews Are you picking up when I'm laying down Pussy cat doos? Pusy cat doos, which he rode for his cat And and, uh, uh, uh Who along the way decided that In context, you still couldn't read the word pussy. I don't know. I am praying prraying to God Almighty on my knees. Yeah It was an algorithm It just the self correcting. They just went Yeah We don't let Pussy in there Otherwise It's a guy who likes to fuck cats the only one's going to flag it. You can't. Anyone else reads Pussy cat They just think adorable fluffy cat. I mean, there are the pushy cat dolls. Yes. And they look more they make you think more of pussy and Mingus. Right. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. no offense to Mingus And what's new Pussy cat Whoa, whoa sorry. There might be more innuendo in that than ds. And the way Tom Jones sings it, which is you and your pussy Chad eyes. Yes. Yes. Yeah, Yes. Yeah. Pussy does mean vagina, correct. Contteext must mean something Right. You know what I said when I saw that What do you think I said? I actually said it out loud to my office Pussy. You're just not paying attention to this podcast. 'a everyone else at home has it. everyone listening has it I've had it. I can't take it. can't take itt take. I can't take it. I can't take it Yeah. That's That was it for me That was the line. Of course. Yeah. Jo Z painted refllecty por Glen driving SUVs through the reflecting pool. Yeah. but me He star, star, star star. Wh cat Cers No, thank you Like, I've u I've heard it referred to as a fuck wallet. Are you put Are you gonna put A you gonna to take wallet out of every algorithm? W. star, star, star, star Star T. Did I get it right? There between two me stars Yeah Push your cab ds So I suggest right now. Yeah peopleeople who happen to be watching near their computer Look up how to toilet trade your. Then look up Mingus. Yeah Pushy cat news. Yeah Man love cats Pusy But that's not important, R? But he put a book out of it Oh my good is gracious. He didn't put out a song called One of the Stink No He was an earnest. I can't take it. I can't take it Dear Apple Music. That is really strange That is a very strange sensoring Well Ah Rob Pike when he was working at Bell labs U said that They had put in to the Group email system some sort of thing to I'm not sure if this is aboutll labs Some algorithm was there to eliminate stuff and A lot of scientists And they were all confused because all these reports are coming out with Ss everywhere. because the word anal pulled out of analysis. So they had assists. We did the assists on the sample and the assist has shown us and the financial assists because they taken out anle. It's a jazz tune, right Pussy cates. There's no lyrics, right? No lyrics. You can't like, listen like, Oh, this about pussy You can listen to music and say, Oh, this is about py. I guess so. But it's really far reach There was like no song this sexy can be aboutout cats They got a I got to started this out. That's what Claude was saying Flud said no, you're not getting b. So strange I can't take it. I can't take it now. I can't take it. C can't take it. I get it. haveave you hung with Piff recently U, I I text some of them this morning I had a coffee with him recently and he showed me arguments he's had with his AI that are hysterical Be guy will lie to him and be like, Yp, did that done And and he's to rightite back. No, no, you didn' put this on my calendar. It's not my calendar Oh, you're right I tell you, if everything acquiesced like AI would be a better world. I think that's one of the reasons why it's taking over is I think we like its' imperfections. I think we like that it has like a a groly assistant feel to it. I think it's like keeps it ees. It'slated while it still does all the computing we can't. It's like Duncan Hein's cakes. Yeah What do you mean? Yeah, do you know what I mean? No, no, no. No, you don't. I was just up nodding it to move it al. I wasn't trying to sign up on This isn't an affidavit. I'm just, you know, comp hosting I mean, this is a very famous story. Okay. along with the paperclip story. You know the paperclip story? I don't I know neither story. Okay Paperclip nor Duncan Hines. Duncan Hines came out with a cake pix. And the cake mix was really, really wicked good. As a matter of fact When you go to fancy restaurants, they have a really good chocolate cake? Yeah Very likely it's Duncinan Hein's Mix. Okay, you know, I believe that. Yeah, it's really good. I've eaten Duncan Hein Starbart cake mix. they're delicious. Okay When it came out in the fifties You just had to put water in and pourred it into a cake pan And they did product testing And they found out that People cooking the cakes didn't believe they were doing enough to make it home cooked A So they just took out the stuff in there that made you not need an egg and said you need an egg. And that's when Duck and Heines took off Fascinated. Yeah I know that it was like like an Italian deli, I think Mac and the cheese pder and put a rubber band around. No No No No It was it was a marketing guy with a paper cllip. Paperclip. And they came out. with, um, powdered cheese. Yes and they could not sell it Rife could not sell it Noobody bought it Powdered cheese lasts forever, reallyally good, tastes good. They could not sell it And then a guy came in with a paper cllip And he took Some macaroni and the powder' keeping your story already. I see now. and put them Paper cllip Yeah. and it's one of the famous stories in marketing. He created craft macaroni and cheese And that's all it is I relate I relate. Beause it's hard to fure as I travel, I wantan to sell sub merch, but I'm want into t shirts I want to do exchanges or sizes or shipping or nothing like that I tried selling duck calls because I use duck calls in my show And when I said, I saw duck calls Everybody laughed and assumed I was joking and no one bought him them So then I started selling posters ing I' aograph your poster and if you buy a poster, I'll throw in a duck call And now people buy that's what people buy after my shows So so ninety five years in the future. Yeah. So we'll be saying, you know how duck call posters, how we all buy those all the time, how every supermarket has them. And you just go, this is great. You know that started? Yeah. The guy had a duck calls and he couldn't sell ' them Maybe put them with a poster. They have a thousand in my garage. I have to find a way to move them. Yeah. So it said Yeah now we have the everybody buys the duck poster. Why do you call it duck posters? Because there's no duck on the poster. It's called duckost come' a duck. Really. I also found something else and I'm probably Yeah. I'm not I'm not giving away an NDAfortunately because I didn't sign with. Do you know the smmoke house in LA? Yeah. rightight across from some big studio. Yeah, it's in Burbank.'s right where my mother in law lives. One of the best restaurants in the world Before I was a vegan, but I was a carnist I would go to Smoke House is my favorite place. I'm Edy Gordetski with therere all the time. Famously my greatrandmother loved that.ike Ruby Kieler loved the loveved the smoke house. I always the smoke house. the smokeouse. And like famous people played like Cpenterss. I think so. Yeah, peopleople like that played. and it's fabulous I believe that if you want to show me best My favorite kind of restaurant. Yes. All you gott to do is say they're chargge fifty cents extra for Bue cheese dressing. Right? Remember that? Yeah When you were a child? Totally. T to a fancy place No I would say salad che fifty cents. My nephew got to work for LA. He's a dancer and we got to LA to be to work as a dancer And the first first place I took them to visit was I took them to the smmoke House in the Magic Castle in L.A. Yeah fifty cents extra for. Now it's probably not true that it actually has that Right The once was a time. The once was a time. And you know, leather seats and prime rib with horseradish You know, if I were going to be Carnist again, which I never will because it repulses me by it If I were I'd go to the smoke house. Yeah Andy Lerner. We've talked about Andy Lerner. Yes good friend of ours Nobbiess in Afric Yeah doesnt he's a photrapher. doesn' mean he's less of a friend. Yeah. It's just in Africa now. Yeah yeah. taking pictures of wildlife. Yeah. Takes a great picture. a great picture two giraffes up on our wall but's Yeah, he sells his pains. They're great. mean his photographs. They're great really greatree Um Andy Lerner, who is vegan with one exception which is the garlic bread the smokehouse, the smoke house. Legendary Legendary Andy Lerner found out makes the garlic and bread at the smmoke house so good. Okay. 'ause it's specific. It' specific It's a nice Italian bread. right And then it's really buttery and greasy It's really garlicky It looks like it's sliced with a grate, but it can't be, but it looks like it looks like they just take a giant thing and just go and make it like a bloom and onion style thing Yeah, with garlic bread And it's also cheesy. It's cheese garlic bread. Yeah You know why it's so good that cheeszy You know what the cheese is? No. Kraft macaroni cheese. It's mac and cheese. Y. But it's cooked. Yeah. Oh, so they okay, okay. they put they sprinkle it on and it's like brade Why are you using words that I don't know? You know, you've se see Crimberle and just the flames to the top. Yeah yeah what it's like it's like it's crisp Delicious. I believe they put like a shit ton of butter Okay, then a shit ton of garlic. Yeah then they sprinkle over the top craft macaroni and cheese cheese And then that blooms in the butter And there you have it. I gotta try this. Yeah It reminds me of PJ Oor Yeah great writer of my favorite writers One of my favorite jokes I've ever read in a book. Of course, first of all He also said How do we get this penellar economy? which really made me laugh. Right? Yeah. He just' right I'm sitt in the bathtub reading in New York. I never met PGO work, knew nothing about him. Right And I'm reading along and it's talking about the national debt And that says, how do we get this penateellar economy Pretty funny. It's good He also has my favorite Um Qion answer section to book Ever And I've said this before, I'm going to say it again I laugh so hard. I think it was about the national debt also because I think his whole book was Parliament of horors I think it was about a lot about the national debt And he says I would like to answer most of the I would like to answer some of the most common questions about the national debt in the United States of America And then there is a space because he's going to go into the most common questions And then it goes into italics. saying that this is a question. that most people ask And it says, What the fuck, what the fucking fuck what the fuck what? And then he says, This is the most common question That's basically my question to Bob Cornnervere about separation Church and sto. What the fuck? what the f Where did it go? What the fuck? What the fucking fuck? What the fuck fuck what I was on arrtle day it was like, people worry about the separation of Church and state with a church prayer vigil on on the national mall. It was like Now, now we're finally ringing the bell. like a ring Is this if this could be this draw great, I just want to come back I'd love of separation from state to come back It seems like it's been gone for quite a while. You know what you're saying right now? I can't take it And I slammed my Yahoo news clothes That was it I can't take it. I can't take Star. star. A star Gar why Cat Yeah P star Star Star Y is what I thought the seking ingredient was a bnd Well, that's what AB Learner says. They sprinkle the mac and cheese. I mean, has it's one of those things where one It's a secret reveal that doesn't make like it less To, I guess it' something I could do, but I probably will never do it. G Good on them, I'm still w to get it from them, right I don't know, you go home Yeah takeake a piece of Italian bread. Right Put on much too much butter Put some garlic powder. Why not powder? That's what I make garlic bread for my kids at home. That's exactly it. cut a nice little Italian loaf in half Sx fununter Garlic. Add some craft macaronated cheese cheese. I like do that What what are we gonna do with the shells and not use it though, you know? Yeah. You feed those to the cat. while it's on the toilet And if they fall in, they could use it as a life wrap. Oh my goodness gracious. Oh man. I can't take it. I can't take it. How was your show at Atlantic City? It was really good, you know, Atlantic City Dmal Right, Dismal and You know, Glen said, u How were the show's selling care And they said You're selling, okay. That's a good s. But u, boy No, I mean, you know Uh I mean, I stillw friends in Jersey and N none of. I remember, you know Speaker will open up a show down there. Still there. Still there But I ask all my friends if they've heard of it or if they're going. No, it's just like they never heard of it It's one of those shows they put so much money in They got to keep running it, but I don't know like what I don't know what Atlantic City does is like a beacon You know what I mean? Like you can put a lot of money into a show there. It's just like, what? The town's not gonna doesn't have a big enough bullhorn anymore. You know what I mean? T draw people. It's just a weird P don't even know who's playing Atlantic City. I got toa tell you, I love Atlantic City I love that Atlantic City by the Cole Gracy Hear a voice cry and Daddy always think it's for me. But it's only the silence of the buttermilk hills that call Hm Bob Dylan. Yeah. I also stood next to Bob Dylan's guitar Oh, that's nice. Yeah And I sent a picture my son picture of me with Bob Dlan's guitar back a message that said You can't flex with Bob Dylan's guitar because you met Bob Dylan You've already won. You already did the big. Yeah, yeah, yeah Yes you notot wrong.'s good point. Yeah,'s good I also was wondering If you were a rock and roll star, well, you wouldn't ever be talking to me. But let's put that aside And they asked you for your clothes. Yes. to put on a dummy that you'd worn. Yeah, right? You could have put in the house People must do this, right? Could have put it in the hard rock? Wouldn't you like say I'm going to get one with B shoulders and like a for manannein. twenty four inch wight. No for the clothes. Oh yeah, yeah. Right. And then maybe a bulge where your dick was Is' all worn out? Save it down a little bit and then say Wn by Matt Donnelly. Yeah, yeah on stage. Little patina on the inner thigh. Yeah S, sure. My favorite one was they had a pair ofir Jordans that were worn by E Sharon Ykers It's right next to the case with with u Yeah, you know, spepecially designed as shered puts, you know, these' a pair of my sneakers I wore, okay? We're done I really liked enurered for that a lot. Yeah. Yeah. ye, yeah Prince d that is it. Print docentary out there that we willll see light of a day. You know about this? Yeah, yeah, yeah bothers me so much. M There's a documentary on the shags coming out that you need to watch. Okay And there's also a nutty documentary Cb Blood sweat and tears, what the hell happened? Yeah. Have you seen that No. It's one of those documentaries that you just go Any of this be true Okay, and I believe it is. because years ago, you turned me onto thereckon crew dock That just destroys So much. Yeah. It is actually so crazy that documentary that we've all agreed to just ignore it and keep talking about bands like they were bands. Yeah, ye exactly. because it just destroys all of music if you actually to give credit credit When the ShagGs documentary is available. Yeah. because I've seen it in advanced copy. Yeah. It was played to South by Southwest too. When it becomes available, we will do a whole show in the Shags doc. Okay. You're not hpp to the Shags right? Not at all I'm hip of the sh as was with the Duck and Hin story. I me to tell you something There will be Matt Donnelly Be the Shag's document And there'll be a mad Doddley after the Shag's document. Okay. And they will have things in common. Okay, like the name Oh, would you know you know the hangu up what happened to the Prince Doc, Yeahah I think you told me I forgot. By miracle, they got the whole estate to sign off on it. And it was a six episode deal. And then the artour making it whose name I forget, was making it. It was like there's too much good stuff in here I want to put out seven episodes And with the seven episodes, the estate stepped back in and said, that's a breach of contract. You can't know no one can see it and they because they basically regretted signing off on the full access final say part of the dock And as soon as person announced the seventh episode they sued for breach of contract to squash it It's such a dumb technicality got in the way. Yeah for seeing it Yeah Yeah. Yeah. boy, that's a heartbreaker. Yeah. That's a hardbreaker It'll see the light of day sun Somewhere, right? Somet I thought I' still have seen the B backgirl movies. I don't Maybe not. Have you seen the whatood? It's a badirl movie It's thead girl movie that show When Warner got bought But you know what is coming out? that we thought never would Coyote versus Acme All right. That is coming It's never going to come out. Yeah coming out. That's good. So I'm gonna to take my kid to that. I'm very excited about that. Yeah yeah yeah. It'sosed to be nay, supposed beay. Let's talk a little bit about masterclass. Yeah. Oh, that's much too loud Masterclass uh dot com It's like a hot glass pen. Pen Lifelong learning. We had that wonderful by the way, the guy James Sinclair who does artisanal Sduku. Yes. He came to the meet and crereated our show. It did. and I was tell him he said he learned he took Ru Paul, Amy Pauler Um, Par, Dancy Kartt rightite. Christina Alguilera, Naomi Campbell, Bobby Brown Simone Biles and Penant telleller Masterclasses. Masterclasses in order to enter a drag race. I love it. And gave us our whole app Yeah, you could learn everything there. and also how everything fits together by not fitting together. You just learn stuff you know, just really, really, really good stuff. And what do what have you been studying there, alady, Rich The science of connection C for bance of connection It's Amir Levin. Amir Levin and he is and he's he's a connection expert He's connected to Adam? No Um Yeah, it's a I thought it was going to be some hooie, but it was He's got all the studies lined up and everything Now we've talked to Reddy in the past, he's a high functioning artistic person, but he He has learned to imitate certain social qualities just to imitate how conversation should be facilitated. He's just visiting. Yeah, he's just missing. So did you find this fell in line with things that you had to figure out. I found him in line with my cognitive science classes in college. Okay. He knows his stuff And you can you can do just learn all sorts of stuff and it all connects together and they're all the greatest teachers because Penateella are there. That's right But you can learn about all sorts of things from, you know, cooking scrambled eggs to being an astronaut. Playing basketball, making movies, writing, doing improvs Everything is there And it's really great.'s everything's produced wonderfully available on every platform. Good for while you're exercise, good for while you're driving and good for sitting down and studying. And one of the best things that can happen is should you be eating Chinese food at midnight, you can talk about something else. Exactly. So you don't have your piano player scream. I can't take it. Talk about something else. Very, very good. And once you're a member, you can sample all of them. You don't have to choose which ones you No. onnce you're amber Jarble and dabble and then dig in where you want to. Yeah. And you can get a special special offer Yeah. I think it's fifteen percent off now by going to masterclass . com slash N. And I got to tell you, it's really, really good. And they also are very supportive of us. love it I'm They've been supporting us. Well, that's all that supports us now. Yeah, J just keep us going. If it wasn't for them There'd be no Penn Sunday schoolool. That's right. Don't blame them celebrate them. So let's talk about what I going to do this until Matt saidays something here, I'm pulling up my camera Fake an eye contact. There go Oh, you're looking directly into the camera. I feel like you're looking at Thank you. Yeah Let's talk about DTF. S. Oh, DTF L those? Y. So Steve Conrad, who we' loved this two other shows. Right. We've We had them on the show. We've had them on the show. Ifortunate wasn't there, which I hate He's going to come out of here. Okay good. He did the Patriot? The Patriots? Not Nel Gibson. No, but the real Patriots. One of the greatest TV shows ever made. Really? He also did perpetual Grace Limited. Brain. Another fabulous show Love that show. And then he did DTF Stain. Louis. right which you finally watched all I watched all of it I love all the actors in it I think It is If I were to try to find a hero that's been depicted in u and and Cinema or in television? Yes Uh James Lovel In whatever that was aaul thirteen. Yeah, yeah James Level and Apollo thirteen is a true hero I think anything about R Nelsa Mandela course MLK Right who we are all down with Um Yes, of course And I have to throw in Um complete unknown. But Bob Dylan is not a hero in your own life because you're not going to be a genius like him And, you know, it's not like he's inspirational on a personal level. Right. I think the characters almost all of them in DTF Staint Louis And Some of the greatest depicted characters I've ever seen in fiction. Y I love them love them. And it bothers me a little bit. maybe you don't agree. It is presented and advertised as a dark comedy M, whichich gives you the idea you're supposed to be laughing at these people It is t I wasn't laughing at them. No. I was in awe of them He has won fascinating use of repetition Every character uses repetition. 'll use it differently and It's a fascinating, like almost assignment to watch each actor take it on And If you notice it, you'll still, you'll notice it It is not distracting. No. It is fascinating. What's his name? Jasonateman Bateman. Yeah. I heard a quick interview with him Yeah And he said, and when you know this, it's really funny. Yeah. Jason Bateman said I love the way Steve Conrad writes. I love the way he writes. He writes the way people talk which means it's impossible to memorize. He said, it's the hardest dialogue I've ever had to memorize. He said, you start a sentence, you go back threeree words, then you go forward, then you skip the idea, then you come back to it. And he said All my tools for memorizing just did not work. And the other actor, who's that? David Harbor, who, you know, famously is a Stranger things. Yeah a stranger things guy. David Harbor said He had a seened where he had to do all this impossible dialogue. Yeah. And Jason Bateman was just sitting there listening He said I finished it. I was so proud of myself and Jason Baban said, Wan to go something neat He also said characters. Yeah. And this is what's so wonderful about the movie. It is the best depiction of friendship I've ever seen. Yes. You want a friend like either one of them You've never had a friend like that. No. They're the greatest friends ever to each other. And they're wonderful. And when I think about people laughing at some of the scenes in it that are funny I hate the people that are laughing because I go I just love them Yeah. I didn't find it to be Hilarious, I just found to be fascinating. And when Jason Bateman, and I don't know if you even know what I mean I don't know what I mean, so I know how you could do. Two of them are on swings, right? Yes. And Jason Bateman brings up DTF. Louis. Yeah. And' an app. Yeah. And David says to him What's DTF And Jason Bantman says down to Fx I would expect that to be delivered in any way differently from that Down to fuck Right D to fuck He just no eyebrows raised. no flips just goes and even and I don't want to do any spoilers. I won't do any spoilers on Yeah. but I like everybody I don't mean the cast. I mean the characters. I also like the cast. Yeah, yeah yeah. And also David said, which I love that interview. He said, We're supposed to be best friends And he said, so I ll in love with Jason Bateman. And I'm just going, Well, we have the weekend off, you want to hang out No, I mean, it's got Linda Cardellini in it who I think is such an underrated actor. She's so good in this. So good. So good is like really because you will change your feelings for her Each and every episode. Yeah ye. everyvery line. Yeah Ipect you'd change your feelings for her. Yeah U Anyone who casts Peter Sararsgard knows they want something interesting coming and Peter Sararsgard has this crazy role. Well, I'll tell you, modern love, which is character he plays. Yeah I think onene of the most inspiring characters I've ever seen depicted That you just want to live in the world he lives in. Yeah. The scene that David Harbor and Peter Starsgard have together I think is they is it's a meet upp at a diner. Yeah with the guy who who's head a ro And the punchline. We shouldn't say him. Yeah yeah. But the punchline and the reason it happens made me cry. Yeah. See, that's the thing. for DTF, St. Louis, I cried all the way through it I just said I just love these people. I love them so. And also I love the way Steve Conrad directs. Yeah. He puts a camera there And they do the same And Jason Bateman doesn't he have some scenes where he's just sitting there for like Fteen seconds? Well, they literally is a plot point where he says, I'm no longer talking And they stick to it for a very long time. Yeah. Yeah, yeah yeah Y all of that And then the conversation the detective has with the local the local cop. She's the hero. Yes. She She should be talking to everyone Yeah Like about understanding people. Yeah. Like it's like it's like that's like vital about this show is that like the way she speaks to him. And the very end on the porch. Yeah, the very end with the two of them on the porch. Yeah is just fabulous So I've had people who are like, ye, I'm not into do it. or I tried it wasn't for me or whatever and I have such a judgment of those people because I was like, no. That's not your typical I have a good friend Yeah who watched the first episode. Yeah and said kind of sick of those actors. They're too famous and didn't grab me and I said, Please And I just got a text that said What are the best shows I've ever seen Yeah And I think that's true. I think you have to get through maybe the second episode. It might be true before you really know becausecause it seems like you're set up for a thriller. Yeah. And like with other Steve Conrad shows, it's it's never that It's never this giant boiling Fist will meet Fist showdown. R. Never, never. He finds a way to go diagonal every time in all of his shows on every scene. Yeah. And it' just as always I love it He also is obsessed with weathermen He always breaks up Weatherman. He just loves them. And I just love Yeah that weird Justin Bateman breakdown Yeah, whichich is you don't even understand why it's there He just breaks down on camera. Yeah. You're right, they never pays off in a thing. No There's not really a reason for it, but it's absolutely essential. And I never skip it s the opening credits I never sk you could skip intro. It's like, No, I have to watch him do this And I just I love Justin Bateman so much. I always liked him. I found him being an underrated actor. He's you know, he's such a He's such a mainstream product of Hollywood acting and I think it turns people off to it. and yet he's still so from Ozark and everything else. He's just so he delivers And the ideas that are credited to being his. Yeah. like in Ozark, the little Rubik's at the beginning. Yeah. that was his Oh yeah. yeah, that was his idea I didn't know that. A lot of the and you know, Steve Conrad said, he gets ideas for just crazy shit. If you know about the conversation with Rod Howard I might have said this other the show. Did I say that before already? I don't know I don't think so I don't think so It's one of the weirdest interview things I've ever heard where Justin Bateman said he met Ron Howard because they worked together on. Oh, yeah yeah. I did say that didn't I? Wait, finish the story but I think you have said it. Yeah. But I loved it justed Bateman went up to Ron Howard and said I want to thank you because When I was starting out in Hollywood I would be really, really nice to everyone. thoughtought it was a suck up And I would just go, Ron Howard's nice to everybody. He doesn't have to suck up. And then he said, I'm glad that I'm finally famous enough that I could be nice without a aologizing. Because they say Justin Bateman is just really nice and think. I mean, a couple great like, yeah, I mean, in the early stages of his podcast where they became more of just an interview layup show U talked about like Always going to like eight different schools for like a month. Like Al just always was at it with different parts and TV shows and him and the sister and J they were just never doing the same thing twice. they went to the weirdest schools had the weirdest homeschooling experiences We did this really funny moment with Will Arnett, his podcast co host Hm. They were really joking around. they were both telling stories. And they' like and Jason Jason Babin is been sober now was like, oh man When I used to go at it, I would have love to have hung out with you. We would have really Torida And will learn ech goes We did. We did tear it up and I watched you in a mount of cocaine, light a candle on your own dashboard and drive off in a cororvette. He goes, We did hang. That's like a great story with the Terry Garr told me. Oh, ye. Sry Gar. Yeah. She said she u She was with Tommy Smothers. in the u Early eighties And they were just talking and Tommy's mother said, U, I'd really like to fuck you And she said You did, Tommy The stoicism of that is what makes the stoic. Yeah, yeah yeah. like not feeling bad. like Yeahah, we did But I'll tell you, if you want to know kind of person I would like to be. Yeah. My ideal of who I'd like to be. Yeah.. In reality, it's not Bob Dylan. In reality, the kind of person I want to be is Eil Either of the two main characters in DTF, Stain. Louis or modern love in DTF Stain. Louis. Yeah. and shooting all that at a roller rink Yeah. And there's thing about holding hands And the guy at the diner at the other table. Yeah and everything. And you also know, I guess this has to be said David is wearing a prosthetic belly Oh, I didn't know that. Yes He said that Steve Conrad told him to gain fifteen pounds. Yeah. And he said, I'm not going to do that. It's too hard to lose weight I'm not going to do that It's going to give a prostet bell So they showed on one of the talk shows the prosthetic belly and he said really isn't much bigger than mine. We show the difference and it really isn't Yeah, but as fast as I only recently went and watched some Stranger thingsings. I just never was into it. Now my kids are oldough, they kind of want to watch it. so we started watching with them And he's much skinnier in that show, obviously, it's from years ago. But knowing that he was wearing a prosthetic belly also maybe helpful to the thing. But yeah yeah, ye Well St Cover didn't want it It just said put on the weight Yeah, of course. Yeah yeah as directors do. But boy did Steve Conrad come through? Yeah and I Goodo and I. I mean, this This is amazing. Goodau and I but You know, the recumbent bikes they Yeah I think that everybody makes fun of. Yeah Co and I rode those. Yeahep. And we rode them side by side by each other. Yes. and I'm a fat guy And I got a cicked big. So I was totally with them on everything I I I just went Yeah, he's just He's And the Jason Bateman character, you think, Well, he's not as much of a hero as the other guy at theS. And then u yeah And that there's always always didid you have any idea what the endming was going to be? None because Jonesie. thought about it a couple episodes earlier N cross. One episode earlier at Inkling that one of the characters that so far wasn't a factor was going become a factor Not me Yeah, I was just totally s. But that was just it. that was But then again, I didn't know Bruce Willis was dead You know, I everything works on me. Yeah. Yeah. so there's ay I was even fooled by the crying game So to do The story of David Harvor's character having having an issue Uh withith his penis And the runner of him never Yeah telling it and Jason Bateman's ability pick and choose times when to actually ask about it is probably the best acting that's ever been done. Like it's really funny. So like let it go and back to it The story of that day. Yeah, is one of the most is some of the best stunt work and special effects I've ever seen So ye, yeah. I know, yeah, yeah. I think the show I gain I saw it and I was like,h, that's weird I like tasing be and I wnder what this is about. And then I saw Sthen Conrad, and I was like, Oh, then I'm in. I'm in Yeah And evenven though I might take you two episodes to get into it Yeah, the end of the first episode. Yeah is one of the great cliff haanger e.. Oh, also the ASL. Yeah David said, which is really great He was interviewed and he said wasas the SL hard He said Really hard reallyally hard. He said we hired two ASL coaches Yeah. So one of the factors is they have to speak sign language to each other. Yeah Abby setet we would finish the tank a really hard complicated take. And Steve Conrad would say, Perfect Let's go To ASL guys would go, you didn't sign that exactly right. everybody else on the set would go. No, all everything was to go no No we just We just here they go Okay, let's try it again, David Man That is tough. The other thing that no one else ever seen dares to do is just go to a rock video in the middle of their show. Who else does that? It's in the Patriot, right? Yeah. It's kind of in Petrol Grace Limited. Yeah with purple rain. Yes. And in this it goes into that. Yeah You just go,, well, that's because Steve Conrad is mostly a guitar player Yeah, songwriter and a singer Yeah. You knew that, right? Did not. No, you as a band plays in I've been out to see his band in Chicago. Okay Sok his cousin and bewitched What's that Samantha's cousin and bewitched. Who is? went into a rock video Remember her naughty cousin Oh yeah, you're right Her naughty cousin does And her notught a cousin is just Elizabeth Montgomery Oh We love. Yes. Yeah yeah. Gorgeous. Elizabeth Montgomery One of my favorite people. Sure. Why wasn't J in DDF So good So good If you want to see a really funny reallyally exciting show that'll make you cry. and also inspire you And it's also about nice people With it with a twist.' a feel a twist for sure. Yeah But the end of the day, it's a yeah, it's you're really yeah, I just like the way it explores Yeah issues that come up in it. It really, it really does it's a really, really Really good. And if I ever watch anything else because now that I started ER, It's fifteen seasons or twenty four I hear you. I haven't done it, but I hear you. It's tempting. I've never seen it I watched probably the first five seasons when it was on air and then stick with it. It's like, oh, George Clooney It's not good looking enough. They're going to make him a pediatrician How you doing buddy? Come on. Did you really not trust George Cloney to be good looking enough to be a hard throb without making him a pediatrician? Could he have been like, you know, lower GI Anyway, we gott to be coming up there, Matt Donald. My show iss opening. I'll be playing at the magicians's rooom here in Las Vegas all summer That the link. at the link. Link promenade U And yeah, I'm just adding a few new elements to my show, a couple of new effects. There's a fat burger right there in there. There's There's an in and out burger right there. Yeah bunchers while there. I know, I don't care about it either but There's aunch there's a bunch of good eats. actuallyct, the pizza place on there is really good. A lot of good eats right there And I'm within a hundred yards of Matt Franklin Piff, and my shos at four thirty. so you can double up. whatever you you can triple up. I think you can triple up actually Tple up. Yeah, yeah. You can see you can seepitch starts at seven Pith between the Mats. That's what the Bill Bich said. Enjoy pith between the mats. Yeah They're mostly Tuesdays and Wednesdays However, I amm filling in for Ferreold Dylan different times each month, so in June, July and August. So if you look search for Matt Donley on Ticket Master, all the dates pop up right there And every time you can double a consonant and it's not at the beginning. Yeah, go ahead and go for it Now that you told me how to spell Matt Donnelly, I now know how to do it. So you just double all of them and sometimes why? and go for it. Yeah. So And No no on the road dates. I will be at the smmoke and Mirrors Theater in the last week of June because I can still tour because of Tuesday Wednes show, I can still tour on weekends. so I'll be at the Ipokeen Mirrorss Theatater last weend of June, Friday and Saturday shows there in Philelphia And then I will be at classic brewing, which is just across the Bay Bridge from M Anneapolis there on Ken Island Thursday before july fourth, the second there And then I'll be july fifth Sunday. I will be at the Dickens Theater in Delaware. And early in June orre up in Toronto Yes And then we are doing Jimmy Fallon show. Oh very cool. And we're doing Jimmy Fallon show. We're doing glass portrait So I don't have to worry about anything. Is you do the intro on that? How' that worked? I don't know. I'll probably do a quick interview with Jimmy then say takeake a telleller. Okay. I normally play bass on it The union stuff is a nightmare. to be to play playay with the roots I'd love to. R, but it's a nightmare. Jonesie and I getting to play where the roots is difficult And you're going on when? I don't know. Yeah T after next week Tuesday. Tuesday less competition in the airwaves. Y ratings sks go up Yeah U Okay, so I guess let's sayay on air Stephven Cobert was asked recently if had any guess he didn't like or didn't want to have on ever again. And I was imaging. yourour name did not come up. good. Although the new book I'm writing Yeah, which I'll announce here for the first time. It's called Ben and telleller fififty two Years of Failure. That'll be my new book. And I'm putting in it all the stuff The past fifty two years of my life. I fucked up. Wait a minute So this is not your new fiction book, re? No no, I've got another one And this is not the you publishing your no This is separate from the penentellar publishing their magic You're writing your own just of everything I did wrong Not everything I did wrong Some of the more spectacular things I've done. I've heard you reference this. There'll be a chapter on Colbert And we did not enjoy it. No, it's my fault. All my fault. All this stuff is my fault Nothing in there is like anybody doing me wrong. There's no There's nothing of Teller doing it wrong. This is just my mistakes. You said this is a joke Didn't you? Yes And now I'm really gonna to do it Riding up the unicycle jump Bees That's where I think your movie starts. I'm writing up crushing. crrushing my balls in the hinge of the Houdini box. I'm writing up Colbert.' writing up Mrs. Laonssbury Sance of horror I'm writing up the almost dying in the freezing Champagne glasses in Connecticut I'm riding up off the deep end, almost drowning What are The emotions of Droing uppise first It's a funny idea and what three things popped to mind immediately, right ty things popped Well, that's saying. likeike over the course of when you start to like, what's the emotions we go That belongs in the book. Yeah, I'm also wring up get killed I also I wrote a lie the movie really laugh make talalented, brilliant director like Arthur Penn make a bad movie Me. That's the way that chapter starts I love it because I think it's going to be fascinating and funny U and some of them may me want to defend you a little bit sure. I wrote to Handsome Jack said this will be my next book P he wrote. Are you gonna cover these And he sent me a list of twenty five things and I went Oh Oh yeah, I guess I have to I'm going tell you why this might backfire a little bit. I've also gonna to do electric Bg and S net live. The worst bit we ever did. Right? Yeah. I'll do all those. You don't count snakes as a failure though, right? Even got these letters for doing Tonal restored snakes? No that was a success. Yeah, that was a success. Okay, good. make sure This is not other people's point of view. This is mine. This is the times I came home alone and sat down and went I'm going to tell you why this is going to backfire with artists a little bit. Why Because a lot of people who haven't made it think it's that one time they failed that prevented them from making it So like me, I count that time that I was a disaster and America's got talent. If I hang my hat, I'm like, mayaybe that's why you haven't heard of me, right? But you're gonna say, no, no, you can fail all of these times and still be a success The first thing Teller and I did, the first thing we did together. Yeah I ended up in an ambulance and my ribs kicked in cover was spit. peopleople just screaming, B Yeah. that was the first thing we did. No, Asparag Jet one is one of my favorite stories about you guys and I know it's a terrible one. terrible But it absolutely to me was like if there was a penentellar movie, it has to start at aparage That's where that's where that's the origin. That's where we do the opening shot. We have, you know, electric boy where I almost shorted out all of Studio eight A and got burns all over my body. And notot one laugh and not any applause And it's so bad that Lauren Michaels has never broadcast it again Oh wow, hold from everything And you know Lauren Michaels will put on shitty stuff. That just shows you the level. There are stuff that past standard and practices then that it wouldn't now. R because a this comes up all the time because secretly, not secretly, but policy wise. NBC has another rerun of Satday Live running at all times. in case anything goes happens with a live show, it'll just cut up cut to the repeat episodes. So they had to go back and take things out because it no longer fits NBC standards and practices. That's not the case for electric boys. It's not aired it was because a different reason. It was a lack of quality And then there was the time which I won't tip now. Okay. It was the time that I was told by NBC censors If you do this, we will shut down NBC. And I called their bluff Wow, okay Hm There's the u Uh is the there's times like this the time when you had to shoot Sin City Sctacular at a different casino casino. Yp, that'll be there. And also Zeke's favorite of catching my ball sack in the hasp of the Hdivi box. Yes Yeah. that one is u timimes I ended up in the hospital. Yeah. Hospitals come into it five times. in the failures. I mean, your penis is a central part of like three stories. Yeah part of many of my failures Yeah, the be story'll be in there When did you write this up I've just started it. Okay. I have notes. Okay and This is probably The most damning thing It's flowing There's no wrider's block. There's no wrider's block at all So, I mean Times that I have been Boob so that no one can understand what I was saying Times that a race riot broke out. during a bit we were doing. Yeah timimes that we had four people show up in the audience. Yeah reviews that said U I'm also going to put in, of course, the censorship It said No part of this show is broadcastable When you initially brought it up and it was kind of a half joke, it felt like a joke at the time. Yeah, It's not a joke These are bad things. What did Glen did Glenn want you to go full steam ahead with this? I haven't cleared it with tell her Telller won't let me do it, which is possible. Okay. It'll be called Pendjl had fifty two years of failure with Penedella You know, I can change it because it's sure. It's not about teller There's not one mistake Teller made anywhere in the book. I think the opposite is going to happen I think Tel's going to love this idea and want to contribute to his own Bea you both hate credit Like your fifieth anniversary is the most uncomfortable victory lap at anyone in our ch Nobody's wanting to celebrate their accomplishments less than you two. You guys just wanted to go back to work and do your show the way you're doing two years of failure. Wh shows you what I think is going to be coming out. Yeah. Right right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I might be able to have jokers, who knows?, yeah, my bet is on Teller will want to contribute We'll see. Anyway, that was Penn Sunday Sool brought to you by Masterclass . com slashen goo and check them out. They're really, really wonderful. That was Penn Sunday schoolool I mean, I really wantan to read the book, Cha ja ja You become naked. Oh, by the way, we also happen to be being thrown out of places for being naked. Oh yeah. I'm being thrown out of Disney. I' being thrown out of Jubilee, which I was thrown out of for being naked. Yeah, that Disney story is a doozy. Yeah And that was the end of that contract with Disney. It turns out, if you show up for a bunch of Disney executives, totally buttass naked, Yeah. contontracts are torn up. Yay. Donuts are now. 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