Reflecting on Bullshit and Past Episodes

This is f Let. He He brothers, sisters, siblings, Wlcome to Penn Sunday Sool I'm Matt Donnelly, and we are broadcasting mostly Las Vegas, but also the great state of New Jersey Oh, here we go. That's right. I sit at the Great State New Jersey because that's what Springsteen says and I'm back here to have to repledge my Jersey loyalty. But'll get into add more, as here he is preach of love, brought to you by masterclass. H's tenen. Yeah. Freachhing love brought to you by as just said Masterclass ot com Gash A I you can get a good old disisc out on lifelong learning. How's Jersey going? Where are you playing there, man Good. I actually just wrapped up two shows in Glenside, Pennsylvania. a suburb of Philadelphia about forty five minutes out of Philly There's a place called the House of Magic used to be the folks over at smmoke and Mirrors who ran another small theater and they moved to a larger location U with the help of a Market and chang their name from smokeking Mirrors to House of Magic? That's right. That's right. They're not good at naming are they? No, no, no. But it didn't hurt attendance. So that's that's the good news Well we called our what we called our video game smoking mirrors, was of course abbreviated to As for them which is Uh yeah, there's not a lot of sexual tension in the name of House of Magic D there But But people are turning out Yeah, so that's a show. So that I mean soally Now if the smoke of mirrors it'd be turning out But they're showing up at the House of Magic But yeah, two sold out shows and some podcast listeners in the audience and super fun show U I came out here. I did a very magiciany thing. I had a friend build a build a brand new magic prop for me U I picked it up Tested out the new show My only job was to put a lock in a key on it and then for an object to impossible location And I grabbed that on the way out and somehow I put the wrong keys into the lock, did not test it. The lock was open. All these circumstances A it lock open with the wrong key inside arrived because I had comeing from the airport Stupid story about rental cars arriving late to set up put the lock on the brand new prompt with the key and another bag to be discovered later on in the show comes to the trafficoment, we're gonna to open the box. Oh, this is in the show. Nothing's tested in the showhand. Nothing's tested beforehand. See, that's the thing I tell people. You really are my protege I mean, really, you can say I learned everything from him. I know Piff would have tested it John would have tested it Howler would have tested it Mac would have tested it But your real mentor Pen not have tested it. No, no And it's actually like unfathomable. The amount of circumstances it took for me to not even accidentally discover that the keys did not open the lock that I put on my brand new prop is astounding. Like the amount of things that have to go wrong for just me to not even accidentally go like, hmm, wait a second, this isn an opening before attaching it to a prop I paid a lot of money for. My My heart is swelling. I'm so proud of you, man. so proud So then in the middle of my show, I'm asking for the purveyors at the House of Magic to bring me tools and I begin to basically it's either expose the magic trick for what it is or break my brand new prop. and I think I'm trying to break a very small part of it that it can be replaced. And instead I end up just significantly damaging my new thing to create an absolute miracle A spectator's watch was inside this lock box after five minutes of me sweating and ranking and trying different tools to basically pry apart a lock on a box We had that happen one night with a trash can trch. Yeah the u the the the chain got tangled Yeah, and done Z cana come out with bolt cutters. Right Beuse like and you really did have to get out balt cutters and the person's stuff was really inside. Those things are true. And What was uh I actually considered it was so good putting it in every night Oh yeah, ye yeah That is a great convincer for sure Yeah, yeah No one said for me to do what I did every night though. No, that's the big difference there. Oh I guess the kindest comlment I got after that show was u You're so funny. whyy are you trying so hard with the magic stuff? You should just be a comedian. No is actually what I heard, which I think isine a fine salute to the amount of the amount of work I put into breaking my brand new prop And so I'm stopping here in Jersey to see family U becausecause tomorrowight I'll do Monday night Magic, which is a long time I think one of the longest running ongoing weekly managic shows. I'm going to do a little lineup in New York. But I can't afford to stay in New York. So commuting from my dad's town in Eatonown, New Jersey to do that gig. So doing that. And how long you doing it but you imagine Just doing one set there and I'm turning back around and I'm doing shows in this Thursday, july second in Cult cllassic brerewing And I said,, it's like a bar joint. and I've done it. this This be my fourth year in a row doing it there sold that every year so far, we'll see how this goes. July second maybe be a little close to the fourth. We'll see how that goes. but I love that show because It's a bunch of people come out to a place that normally showcases bands And so it's always a kind of disisgruntled. you know, plainly dressed boat person summer crowd, you know, who' like, really a magic show here And that's exactly I love that audience. That's like my favorite audience to start doing a show for people raly see magic shows and aren't even sure if they want to see one That's my favorite audience to start a show in front of. And you turn them right around, don't you, Matt? Yeah, yeah, that's the fun part. Yeah, yeah. You know I to know that I'm. Because they want to see tools used Dstage. They want to see actual sweat. They want to see real merit There was a grit Too many magicians are smooth and don't show enough grit enough flop sweat I was thinking about like comedy magic you have It's like it's it's it's the most Direct comedy plot is to have a false error and then turn it around and oops, I actually did it. Right, Right. But you remember what WC Field said What's that? this applies to my theory of imagine. He said that anybody can dress up like an old lady Fall down the stairs and get a laugh. Right. But to make comedians laugh, you need a real old lady. So anybody in comedy magic to pretend to fuck up and get a laugh. But for better that style, you've got to really fuck up, right? That's true That That's the level we operate at That's true. Yes 'causeuse you know, it's all magici who are helping me out. the person the stck of cards really is shuffle. Uh, yeah I've done this where I'm so being so fluid and so smooth that u I was like it doesn't seem like I even took a peek at something And then I didn't, and I'm supposed to. I need to know information before this before this proceeds any further actually need to go back and get some information and I'm do a bunch of really clumsy steps It me to do the job I was supposed to do This is the biggest sacrilege ever But I'm gonna compare us to Dany Diertz. Okay, ye ye yeah Who is the best cararbagic who ever lived? Right. And during one of his tutorials, I love this He says he takes one card and just throws it over his shoulder And he says, In order to know what that card is, you need to glimpse it before you throw it or later in the show if someone calls out that card. You don't have it But I never check because I want to see what I'm going to do That's a guy who just needs it. He just needs he needs the he needs the ability to go off the rails. He needs the ability for the show to goide. Hro does that too Andro when he when he has the people on stage that absolutely cannot change their minds He ased them if they want to change their life One of the reasons that I left skydiving 's because there are always people on site that weren't getting enough out of skydiving, and they would do dumb shit on top of it that just to risks risk risk more have more risky behavior to possibly injure themselves So that wasn't a joke Not a joke. What would they do What was you? between It's l spot it The most common thing is use a shoute that's a little too small for your weight So you're coming in faster than you should. Oh, And do they Do they do that? Do they say they're doing that I had a couple people told me that they had done that H Oh I knew the first a female test pilot in the Marine Corps. Uhuh U She was a tough Oh Tft, t tough Pft tough person U, She had amazing stories I mean, she would go up in stuff that, you know, she tested shoots and she tested No. planes She was the first to test, right? And um, She could not find a trainer who would work her hard enough So she would insult them. to the whole thing Oh the push se. But she said She knew guys. Another level. test pilot who would u Jump from one plane to another without a shoot. Wh No. It would show up at the other plane. Yeah. It's a no for me You should see how much I lose it in sweat, just putting a screwdriver to an old jewelry box. You should just see how much that. I mean it is It is I lost like ten pounds of water weight trying to get that lock tiny lock off that tiny prop. Wow. Yeah, I mean, I guess I'm telling you like, you know, if I was if I was young and gotten into the skydiving, I would have been one of those assholes for sure that like I you would have like If in my twenties, I would have been bored and would have tried different shit just to just It's so much better. that you decided to take a risk to not being funny. Listen, Hey, Matt, I'm going u I'm gonna go Get in the airplane jump out with a shoot that's too small for me and come in too fast. Yeah. Well, I'm going go on stage and maybe they'll ask me something about a subway and Nixon and I won't have anything Yeah I might get an occupation for a song and have no idea what that occupation is, therefore I can't construct a witty joke in thirty seconds. That's the risk I'm taking. Jesus wow. I'm going get a smaller shoot. I want that kind of thrill. It is interesting that show business, u Create. It manifests these situations that feel like life and death and really aren't Yes Oh for sure. When I When I was in my twenties, I'd be vomiting backstage before going out Right. You know absolutely completely trembling, no control over myself whatsoever No yeah. but Couldn't control my hands Terrified And worst thing that would happen. is The show would fuck up the audience would maybe go home a little early and throw a fuck in their wves I know the answer to this one Yeah Rejection of the tribe is fatal in prehistory Yeah, yeah, yeah. ye Also it's just like genetically in us How fascinating As' you say, I took the leap, so to speak on America's G talent and fell between both planes. And I know what that feels like And it's nothing compared to the actual weight of gravity and the falling a mile from the sky. It is not even close. In fact, it was hard to find anyone who cared Yeah I had the worst thing happen to me in my career. Yeah, well, okay I'm gonna to order coffee. Do you want to coffee? S I h fe off from a plane it hit the ground. I w to hear that story. You know, you, um You see, u I've seen other people b Yeah, I saw If and M do no fault of their own Yeah, do one of the worst shows I've ever seen They were for an audience that didn't care about them at all R they were struggling. to get one laugh in like a gymnasium sized place for some benefit It was, if you were on stage, it was the worst thing possible I was in the audience. they were my friends. I had empathy and still I was going, who That was it Whereas if I saw a guy falling between two airplanes You get more out of me than W. Not a lot more No. and as you said, like even when your friends see you like, you know, not do your best showown youet to handle a bunch of variables friendriends who have been senior show before like, Yeahah That's actually why I came likeike this I I know I've seen you good. I know you're good show I want to see I want to see how you handle squirrels Oh, I have I have good uh Good friends who just prayed. things to pop up. They say you're you're really not great thingsings fuck up And u You know, when we did the radio City music show All right. All. I had a child on stage was impossible And um Laurerence OcDondo' in the audience and leaned over to his daughter and said Now we're gonna to see Pen be good he' sat right up He was just real. It is true actually I had I grab grabbed a bite to eat a drink after the show last night with some listeners of ice creream Social and one of them saw you where a trick went wrong And they could remember what you said and what you did and they couldn't remember the trick They couldn't remember a single detail. They simply remembered how you handled deal with an audience member who didn't speak English and couldn't do follow simple directions. And so they were just regaling with the story and for the life of them I remember I was trying to like just give me a detail. I could probably tell you what trick it was and they could not remember a single detail of the trick. They only remembered how you handled the terrible person. Last night I had a u U Young woman on stage, probably sixteen, fifteen sixty K kind of, um comfortable in herself, you know And I called on her Th him up on stage. and uh You know that my background is juggling And you go that I have a confidence with objects and sometimes uncalled for but that other people may not have She came up on stage for O My Mind, where she writes on tell his fhead She up on stage for that And she's holding her phone I said, you're going to need both hands for this. And I took the phone away from her. And She was like from a few rows back and a man, presumably your father. was sitting with her And I just took the photo a thereo I just tossed it dri almost over my shoulder him, right? It was, I would have had And. Perfect one And he caught it. easily Yeah. and she like she was gonna to have, as my mother would say, going to have a fit and fall in it I'm like I'm Get rid that phone. Bom. And states to her were enormous Yeah. the stakes to me were Maybe I have to buy a new phone Yeah some shitty Three generations back anyway What do I care But I didn't even weigh that. I was just I'm got to get rid of this b Godone. And of course, I also do if you drop the phone and it broke. All I had was ten more minutes of material Exact Yeah And then she wrote for the card She wrote The J of two And she's ready it I go Tue is not a suit She said, What do you mean Is it two is not a suit I don't know how to explain it more. Those of you It's one of the ordinal numbers It's not Cubs, arts, spades or diamonds you at all I said, no Bs But that's great because of the whole rest of the show. I get to say the Eact two over and over again So And anybody makes any mistake, I get to say You aren't kin to her, are youa I always use the word kin that way doesn't play at all. But I love it because Stan Frereeberg uses it in one of his routines he goes. You aren't into to the guitar player, are you . I also want you to notice that I have a glass here. You probably as the bartender what kind of glass that is. Is that a high ball glass? It is a high ball rocks glass, yeah. with the rocks and the rocks are havebit in our titanium. Oh, so you don't even have ice you've frozen titanium as ice working as ice. Yeah selfl sir Does it work It's it's cold Yeah, yeah, yeah I years ago, I mean, now it's probably like twenty years ago bought rocks you're supposed to freeze in the freezer and use as ice. And it didn't it worked for like minutes and then it was then it was over. and it was bad I'm sure but you know Dent second attempt in the last twenty years But you know a u You don knowt why the giraffe in Texas I do not You don't is like a Gay elephant in Denmark No, I forget her name I forgot the I think it's Dolly, maybe But you go Tim Jenison of Tims Rermer. as a ranch. the size of Amsterdam. Yeah in Texas And he has many Animals are and he said that I said, well, you should get giraffes He said, Well, if you buy them, I'll put them on there And I'll feed them and take care of them, but you're got to buy him And then I talked about that on the show There's a threat Yeah, But you wanted giraffe? And so A giraffe escaped from another Sam And They didn't know where she was and I think you had the name MuZi It has to be he as where I'm going in this. It's still like like what's that? Gracy. It'srazy, but it's heat It's important. have to be Anyway, I was hoping that he, Gracie would show up Tim's Rrenanch and I can say to Tim That's that's that's by giraffe W you wouldould you keep him for me? But actually when he escaped from his preserve where he went was into a bar. And he said, Everybody, eyeballs are on big Cracy U That is the long suffering Gens favorite jump. The other one he likes is the Dear Okay Wh walks out of a gay bar? and says I can't believe I blew twenty bucks Do you have any other? The edibles and bar jokes Man U No, I mean, this's a wide long face, which everyone knows. Do I have cancer think of it I' not I'm not encyclopedic with my joke knowledge though. I never think I know any jokes until some else tells one, but I'm It's gotten even worse at it as I gotten older. I really don't have keep a good repertoire. Your mind is slipping Yeah. I read something the other day that really troubled me. I read it actually longer ago than the other day, like months ago And it really troubles me It says as people get older, They're very comfortable saying My memory is getting much worse. They're not comfortable saying My judgment is getting much worse Hm And they happen at the same time Rice Right. Oh gosh exxecutive function. Isn't that dis quieting that is disquieting. So I found I think it's from being now like a podcaster for over a decade think it's maybe have less good memories because I think there's a part of my brain that was like, I said this on something recorded that's in history. likeike it's whatever I didid that day like it's in there andide don't where you gave away I felt gave away the extension the another year of fooless before our found, right? I knew I know I've breached I know every yearDA in my defense, no one gave me an NDA preriached. Oh I reached India. I hadn't hired back yet. I wasn't even employee yet. I I still didn't know I was working on the show Now I am working on the show officially and so now I'm officially a dicette to my executive producers and my bosses. No no, no, no no It's to Pen and tell her and Falon that you were aickid Okay, well, that's worse because we We promised Fallon And we were going to doubt be both the re extension and the other season of Fool uss for the first time I. I'm aware And we said to them, Fuck you. Matt Dondley's gonna to announce that on a podcast. That's what he said to Fallon We stood up to him evenven worse I should have just called Jimmy Sorry, buddy. I need this I need to heat I need to break this I have to go on a subscription only magician' podcast and blab it to every magician in England before anyone knows I J be found Not knowing that a Vegas reporter would have the stones to pay the subscription to get access to the actual podcast, listen to it and report it in a Vegas paper I mean why, why, why Was Cats listening to that podcast? I have no idea, Ben, this is again, everyone else would have tested the lock. Anyone else would have looked at the keys and be like I got toa make sure this turns that thing. and they would have done it. have no idea. the impossible amount of circumstances it took for a Vegas entertainment reporter to listen to a subscription only magicans' podcasts. It's mostly for British people and report my and source me U in an article. I have no idea Well, you have to remember God hates Glenn. And that's leg any likeg possible T fuck up'm going Because I don't think Glenn knows all steps. If he did, he'd be like, you gotta be fucking kidding me We have a new opening in a show Brand new. That's right. Yeah yeah h it's cosite It's wicked good and really short. Okay, because I gott to come see. I just have to come and see it. Be in the in the sh The version of that used to be in your show, which really was just to tune it up for fooless. It was a little longer Den what It was originally I originally conceived it as an opener was always supposed to be an opener and It involves being the audience And when it's not an opener We have to get me into the audience I have to walk around the back hall So that adds two minutes to a trick that means wo minutes to be nothing. They just pated Oh, that's great So now we open cold and I'm in the audience. You already Aor wonderful feelings because u You know People don't really know How loud I am on stage Im I'm amplified, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah We've had the sound system go out and I don't need to be Yeah. you fifteen hundred seats un amplified. from from your Renfare roots, there's a part of you that almost fetishizes the audio going out so that you have to reach twelve hundred people from where you're standing with no And This is the opening of the show. So There's a video image of me coming on stage, right U and smiling. as tell it drags the video image out And then I start the show. Nip Good evening Those are the first two words. Yeah. But now I'm sitting in among the audience And they see me holding the iPhone. and kind of smiling. and looking around And then I take a breath My go. and thirty people around me. who are doing it Aoustically. what the fuck was that? And it's really a great feelield. It's really great How longong because I remember, you explored that. It was in the show. It was done for fool uss. It wasn't even the last season Plus you guys't even do season your fifiet anniversary because you guys would have died had you had you done it. You guys were so busy. How long you've been holding on the fact that you actually never get to explore it for the original idea as an opener I guess I got the idea like five years ago It's been a while But it was telleller who said he wanted to change it the opener or you the one who want to change it up I always wanted to be the opener B You know fool us we had another thing we're working on for the opener So it had to be popped to the middle of the show. But I'm saying recently It was telleller, I thought, it's not you who got kind of bored with doing the same opener polyester. Jeller wanted a different opener. Did your so high jp back into your head I said, how about this, which was written as an opener That's a man really because I worked on the fullist version of it. I remember working on bits for the walk around totally forgot that it was written as a possible opener U it's a It's interesting that it like It's amazing how long it took to just kind of come to another exploration It's really good and I mean, this is Really, really inside technical stuff. But the problem with it in the middle of the show was to get my Hama to be on the screen If I was walking in the hall, deead Wi Fi places Then we had to get repeaters. and gave us a lag But now This is not the right words ready, but the antenna is twentyty five feet of me Right. So no teemical le. No there's no technical glitches And it also means we can do it as an opener on the road should be really nice Oh, that is nice is you know, when I'm playing when I'm playing a, uh Uh, you know, three thousand seat theater. And I just slide in and I'm among the audience It's pretty great There's a little bit of where know he's here, Where is he They call It's exciting And u We're putting another we're putting in multiple outs Again, Okaykay, which I think is one of our best bits ever with the fifty two people standing up of the audience Oh yes, ye yeah yeah yeah And we're doing that different because U we're going to just hold the phone under a camera instead of trying to get call your friend on my phone and doing all that stuff Okay, so' simplifying it and keeping it all in the theater No, no, no, no Yeah We're just going to go Who has a friend we can do a trick for him that's on FaceTime G about on Faceime Are they actually on and then to show that person try to hook that with our system I'll just put it in front of a camera Oh okay, got it. Okay camera shooting their camera No fault Keeping it simple That's going in. and we also another bit we worked on that you watch this fail on Looping. We worked on looping and failed. Right. It was an idea that Reddy gave me is he said that But looping was demonstrated, it was always Horizontal and not vertical I want to change looping vertically So I had that bited all written, but we didn't have a visual for it. So now we do So new bits going in all the time. Very cool signign it And speaking of learning new stuff Could we talk a little bit about masterglass Yes dot com. com slash H Now you know it tells us They would like us, masterclass would like us very much to tell people things we learn. that actually changed stuff And It changed our entire Penateella show with a guy from a um negotiator to negotiating one about I don't Yeah. I don't I don't point anymore and never point that do you point in your show? No, we listen to the same one. I'm not I'm not I' think less to B Chr Foss than you do. I point all the time And I never point. It's now an open hand M Stay sub T Beause my hand does not actually have a face. 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He' that If I did not go to bed with people angry I would have slept alone my whole life So what she's talking about is You're a different person when you wake up The chemical environment of what's going on when you're angry Yeah is not where you want to solve your problems Oh you need to let that slide off. and if the timing doesn't If the timing isn't consistent with your sleep then tough That's that's the lesson she was trying to give The lesson that I took away from was, oh I' misunderstood what that idea was all about in the first place I now understand that it's not okay to pretending I care what my spouse is angry about I spend time. U So yeah, I should get back to we're too. This is the problem with doing these ads. We're too interested in the masterclass. so we start talking like we're just doing the show. Anyway So you can now get lifelong learning annual membership Gest instructors are we I guess we got to mention Steve Martin so and so on. But everybody, Ron Howard, everybody's great And uh They keep adding new classes. There's never better time to get in right now as listen to this show You get at least fifteen percent off an annual membership at masterclass Dot come L H That's fifty percent off at masterclass D Dar He to master cllass. com dot com plan it T say the latest offer. So Bob Dylan. O It's just nice to be home, isn't it?. brought a different guy on stage with them Now this is the nutty thing about being Bob Dylan, right So Bob Dylan's in the middle of the never ending tour Let'sope he's in the middle He's eighty five years old. He've been going forty years. Let's hope it's the middle of a tour. There He's had a guitar player for eight years in rough and rotdy ways. It plays with them, right? Yeah everyberbody goes to the show And they know they're going to see that guitar play So u No All of a sudden the Dylan verse, I guess it would be called was all the Twitter because Bob Dills Sat, which has been a little bit consistent for Bob Similar songs most nights all of a sudden had an entirely different sound entirely different. And Even though Bob Dylan leaves the stage mostly dark They noticed his guitar player was a different guy And it took a couple of days couple of shows. for the detectives Dylan to say, all right The other guitar play is int there It's now Julian Ls, Lows, eight Lows L G E. Julian Loch. No, okay We know the guitar players that Dyla would consider They would be guuitar players who play. Blues Americana Uh rock and roll He's had all kinds of guitars Or Julian is Jazza. but a real jazz guy Like a no kidding around Jazza. Like neverever played pop folk ever jazz guysy. Oh And now he's Dylan's guitar player. And so of course Lge, right? LAG Lodge. Yeah sorry. not LOG LAG. If you look up Julian Lodge His guitar playing is unbelievable Edwardson Really odd is he uses a Telcaster Right in jazz, which is unheard of And no pedals, I'm sorry to say but has The greatest guitar sound ever s all percentage correct I think so yeah. And he's now lead guitar player for Bob Dylan So all the songs now take on this rich jazz inventive feelield. It's crazy And, um They u the Dylan people reporters and so on. Call Dylan's office and say, has Dylan changed guitar players which Dylan's office responds because they're not like Mad Donnelly D' sp they respond He seems to have a different guitar player on stage with him. How long will that guitar player be there Well, he's been there a couple nights so far Is the other guy? Is the other guy not working anymore Well, he wasn't on stage the past two nights. So So they they get in touch with Julie and Lodge. Wh who says nothing Nothing No inirmation. D are a different guitar players Is he sitting in for three or four shows Is he for the rest of his life? We don't know I have an idea We actually we should invite Lj onto the magician's podcast, which subscription only magic podcast. see if we can crack them See if we can get them on there. But it's the wonderful thing, you know, about life. is now I'm obsessed with Julie Lunch Sure, and I'm watching his guitar tutorials Even though I don't play guitar Right. And listening to him emission Radible Cartet with u that organist that beat am an organist ye, which is Bolinsky,'s name I don't know One of the I mean, one of the greatest Orgganus He's playing the Sen called up Dylan called up a jazz cat who'd never said yes to anyone else when it came to playing outside the jazz world is what you're saying? Right Probably What would happen if Dylan called you right now and actually played bass in his show I would not be talking to you anymore And you would be allow of comment on the closing of the shows of the Rio How do you know that Dylan hasn't called me up? because I'm not there It's the same way you know that I can't blow myself because I'm not doing it right now. But It's u, but it's really It's really, you know, what I What about his old guitars? Does his O guuitars say anything That. Crazy. You're saying you're saying you would have bititter ranting to do. Is that right Maybe You know, or maybe I quit because I't, you know, I just want to do something else or whatever or or maybe. You're the one who called Juliian. St can you fill in on this gig Oh yeah, yeah Maybe it's only three nights. you don't know My wife's to me about never taking a real vacation. Can you fill in for me for a few weeks? But I'm really a jazz cat Dbtir And you know, people have talked about auditioning for Dylan Right? which is insane You go over his house? He pulls out a guitar. or piano He starts playing never Dylan songs, never. He doesn't talk to you And you play along Yeah. And then he says, Okaykay, I gott to have dinner now. And you leave. and then Your manager gets a call Dylan want you to work Yeah You never get a call. Right? That's crazy. That's hard. That takes a lot of confidence Just nuts And u So that's exciting. Everybody's very excited. JonesZ's out of his mind says, you know Jazz people are now going into Dylan's world Right. It's a big win for the jazz community Have you looked at all this gear there already Yeah What's he plan So his his His main axes are from Nacho guitars. I said for Spanish Those are those are those are tellelly knockoffs Yeah, that's what I saw. I looked it up And it's not a telecaster, it's a notch Why would you like a knockoff that of the original You're opening a can of worms. It's kind of bad for us right now, I think. Has the offender's been dead for a while? It's now a corporate interest and they want a case in Germany, so they're trying to get that to take effect worldwide It's kind of a big stink the shape of the guitar and the Right, they didn't trademark the shape of the guitar at the right time. And so they lost the ability to do that forever But they just recently run it want to deal in Germany over copyright They've copyrighted the way it looks Basically the It's very complicated. defend a case. You're saying s too complicated for me to understand what you ha it down. Iving No. I'm saying that the actual legal issue doesn't matter because the person that they were suing Oh yes, isits did not show up So they won the they won the case on the technicality, not the legal issue. But they're now trying to enforce a legal issue worldwide. even though they won't be able to leegal experts think they won't be able to But I'm interested that So Nachow has presumably improved on the telecaster Basically everybody That's even even the shitty companies have improved on the on the telecaster the jazz master, the jaguar All the main styles, the strat I mean, even Behind me on the wall, we've got IBS stuff That's a What Fender would want me to call a T style and an S style they're just That's a strat, That's a tell. No And they' both from Ibanz out of Japan they're just better A Nacho's presumably very good, right? Way better. yeah Uh and u he's what amims to use in? I didn't get to that. Sorry But no pedals. He has That's such a clean guitar sound. It's incredible He's just one conversation with you away, ready, right? fromrom using pedals, you think? Well, are we going to have them on the shelves? That'll fix it B Julie Lge on the show just to he plugs in and plays and Redy's in charge of pals he does a few weeks of ous with Dyan and suddenly, everything everything's ever stood for is off is off. now he's doing pedals, he's plugging in. It's just a it's a mess now I mean, it's not entirely uncommon. Compressors are very popular jazz Oh But it's uncommon for him He's just I just watched his card. He's not even wireless H cord is going right to the amp Old school Yeah I did a show with Charlie Danielsan H. And The tone was amazing and I asked the front of house guy what they were using to process. If he pulled a quarter inch cable out of his draw This is it guuitar into the amp and that's it, right? Vinage guitar, vinage amp We're done Now why Why is vintage better Why can't they just get that sound U s kindind of a trick question It's not ted. it's It's not that vintage is better. It's at the surviving vintage M I say It's that same statistical fallacy forgetting the name of with shooting two It's the same as Shakespeare Survivorship bias Sw It's the same as Shakespeare. Shakespeare's remembered. E makes it look like The writing for that time was b Ah, that is a good anvalogy. Well now we understand that. Weve solved that. All right. Now do you want to do you want to complain about your other guitar guy I don't want to complain about him. I want to relate him to what happened? behind the scenes on bullshit that I don't know about Okay, go ahead So The background story, there's a nashational guitarist named Jim Lill who has a YouTube channel. And he stumbled on a myth busting formula that's working for him. Over the past couple of years, we've enjoyed a couple of videos about where does a tone come from in a guitar? Where does theone whereere does the tone come from in the guitar r and He debunks a lot of the mythology around those things And that's made him a very popular YouTube personality He's exhausted the topic of guitar tones. which is his his area of expertise And for him to continue on that format, he's got to start either going into low hanging fruit or discussing stuff that are outside of his areas of expertise and maybe say some things that are wrong. I'm curious if you had that issue when you were get in those later seasons of bullshit Well star price Stead He's the producer and director of bullshit Dark Price said in the seventh year He said You know, next year, we're going to do a whole episode that says You know Taco place down the street There can't be Too few Trtilla ships. That's bullshifs. I I sometimes say to people, they say, whyy'd you stop doing bullshit? I say, we ran out of it. There's no more bullshit in the world U We did excceed . You know, it started out with really easy stuff, you know, talking to the dad. ESP and that kind of stuff And then we stretched out to do, you know . Bob your water And and Peta or changed by tune on and vaccines and, um, We ended up with doing stuff like cheerleaders But The surprising thing to me is that Many of those shows were pretty good You know't our formula of um what we were calling bullshit on Um Ting to get away. being very, very outside of our expertise. and we were very outside. Do someone say we have no expertise, you know If you want to talk about just the stuff that has to do with magic That's maybe three shows of bullshit And we did, you know, one hundred So u We did, we did go beyond that a little bit Is there any chance he'll discover stuff there that Why don't you say what you think you get wrong So as the controversial video that came out last week was about stududio premiums h And how you could buy a cheap preamp and it's just as good as a studio one But he didn't really understand Studio stududio guys are picking them apart for multiple reasons. He didn't really understand how they're used outside of his context in Nashville And he also wasn't lookingooking at the right pream to begin with The legendary need preamp is a specific model and that's not the ones that were in his studio And so some of the things that he were He were testing weren't applicable to the preamp that he was testing I see. So he's kind of hung out to dry on these mistakes and hasn't talked about it publicly yet. I expect he'll, you know, address it properly and just continue with other topics And Try not to make those mistakes But he's only done one that's egregious, right? Yeah He's doing better than bullshit Although he may not have done one hundred videos yet, you know. And also his workflow is very different than bullshit because he's doing, you know, six months to a year of work on these things inststead. we weren't We would doing a good fifteen, twenty minutes of work on each one Well maybe that episode won't come out when they release the season DVDs and no one will know why For those of you who don't know, we did an episode on the Vatican And u It didn't The DVD came out and I was on What was that show called? Opi and Anthony I was on their show And I was promoting U the DVD set that had come out And they said to me during the interview Why isn't the Vatican on the DVV and I still what it is. the whole season' on And they said, No, the Vatican isn't. And I said Well, of course it is And they handed the DVD and they said Vatican is not on here And they said Why not? I said I don't know. And Glen, Glen was on the phone to showhtime while I was on the air And he said, what's going on Why is the Vatican possibly say And they said No comments And they said said Pen can't say no comment Pen can't say no comment because it's the pen and teller bullshit. He can't say no comment. And they said we weren't suggesting He say no comment. We were saying no comment T Glenn. Privately. No comments So they have left me with what someone says Why is the Vatican episode on there Thank I have dooped to say have no idea why I mean, I can guess It's because the Vatican but it has in it One of my favorite jokes in all of bullshit that I did not write And I love delivering it wasas I shed? Here's the pulp He's the one to put the ass hole toathosist. I like it because it's so startling And so strange That's a great joke Rachel. That feels the kind of joke you write to make the room laugh. you're like, they'll never use this on air. And then you guys laugh' like, let's do this joke Yeah The chat is asking Dagny So Pete's actually good now Not really what you were saying I' saying that Most of the problems you busted pata on are actually still true The P probleblem is that now the stuff we didn't bust them on I feel very strongly about You know, we bushed Reedibon. certain deypocracy And I still don't know. I mean, I just have never thought about it Um animal testing of drugs is something I haven't done the work on And that's mostly what we busted the most But having been vegan for as a matter of fact I'm so They t in tactics you still don't agree with Yes, exactly But I think it's important. I go to their website.. I go to their website to check food Yeah I go directly to the Per website. This is a common thing with the thinking that people have about bullshit years after the fact is They've lost sight of what the actual attacks were M Right and They just have the vibe of what the organization is about is being the thing and that's very rarely the case I mean second hand smoke We were very specific we're talking about. and that's been totally forgotten It's a It's now we were saying secondhand smoke is healthy. of the ye That's the way it's remembered. Right, R, right, That's not to say we weren't wrong And when people say, what episodes were you wrong in, I say every single one Because you cannot do a show like that where you're doing comedy And you're banging them out like that you're going to get everything right. You're just not gonna Adi Maybe someone can dig in and find to show we are right and everything. But I can't imagine And that's why we wanted the last show to be the bullshit a bullshit We want to bust ourselves. we never get to do that because The show went off the air before we thought it was going to What' you getre coming up about, Donlly And I'm here to report that bullshit is coming back for another season No. u u I'll be at Cult Cassic Brewing in Ken Island Maryland, just across the Bay Bridge innd Anapolis, Thursday, july second. Dickens' Magic Parlor, Sunday july fifth and I'm back home fromary residency, Tuesdays and Wednesdays at the magicianans room. last few shows big going good. It ends picking up a little bit and show's getting better and u I'm having a lot of fun with some new new tricks that I'm doing. It's great. And I'm hopeful you'll have a special guest vote of these nights but of these afternoons. H hopeful too. yeah, yeah. And so Go to my ticket page, you'll see the ticket Master page right at the top of the first screen before you go to look for actual seats Yeah, I hit the unlocked But at the top of the page, put in scoops and save thirty five percent SC O. That's a lot. thirty five percent Yeah. That's almost a third I did. I actually as I said, I want to run two campaigns And one as I need the largest discount possible for podcast listeners And that's what they came back with That scooper scoops Scoops with an S. It's a six letter SB, six letter cod So S C O O P S D do good And I believe that was Penn Sunday School brabbed to you by Master cllass dot com flash H and go there right now for lifelong learning. Anything else ready you want to tie up? 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