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Here we go B brothers, sister, siblings, Wlcome to Penn Sunday School. I'm Matt Donnelly. We are broadcasting from Las Vegas. That's right. You know the city This week, Pen was struck by an editorial by Fob Dylan in the New York Times. Also, we want to check in about how his sessions with crew, Paul are going. And here he is preaching the love. Brought to you by masterclass. Here's Pen. Yeah, this is Pen preaching love, brought to you by masterclass Dot com slash pen I didn't even know the hand of Pul Schafer I didn't know I had that up. How many times have I said that? I didn't know I had that up. And so I did as you get older. Now that's what I want to I'm want to start with this. Apparently, you know, I used to used to be almost a drinking game on Penn Sunday School of how often I mentioned something I read in the New York Times. That's right. But I stop reading the New York Times. Yeah. I stop reading most newews, although I still watch LOD now and again. And I sometimes type into Google What bad stuff happened to Trump today? Just when it's a bad day And I just swore in this whole introduction I wasn't going to mentioned Trump and I just did It's kind of hard. The u The New York Times, I don't know this. Someone sent me the clipping. Apparently had people who were eighty or over eighty U giving advice. now that it's the birthday of Donald Trump about being eighty or over. I think that's the gag. Okay. I don't know. I didn't read it in context. This is taken out of context. But one of the people and incidentally the only one to write about age without writing about Trump was Bob Dylan Yeah, that that would I would bet money That pays no bets. Bob Dyl not doing quite the assignment he was given. And I also Um I believe today, it kind of sunk into me today that Bob Dylan may be one of the only people I know of who I honestly believe does not think about Trump at all Right. Yeah. I mean, Bob has always had better things to do. Yeah. And I am so envious of the fact that he can keep his better things in focus. I mean, I hear you, and I'm always of two minds about it, right Because it seems like the first time he elected it was because everybody was just not thinking about stuff and just doing their own thing. And then there was a groundswell of anger coming from places that were surprising. Then we all started paying attention and he still got elected. So I don't know what works I'm talking about for one to live The life of the Buddha. Yeah, for one to live a proper life. I don't know how much good thinking about Trump. Every day does. Yeah, I think I mean, I have a growing frustration, which is that mixed company. it's like the only thing people know how to talk about.. You know. We'll talk about that with Master C. Yeah, which we've come up with our own solution. That is our That is our solution. That's our solution. And it's a good one. It works. But they've asked Bob Dylan eighty five years old. eightighty five years old They called him Grammy Award winning singer songwriter and Nobel Prize recipient That's a nice intro. Right. But much less than I'd say about him He is talking about, I guess Best thing and the worst thing about having turned eighty. He's eighty five. But yeah the best thing The best thing about being eighty is that you outlive the clocks that have been chasing you It's freedom from that lie that anything was ever under control You don't chase the parade anymore You're an old king from some vanished country You're harder to program. You're not rushing to become anything and you're not haunted by things that you did You're haunted by how little of it really mattered in the way you thought it would. Wow. Just wow. Yeah. It's not like, oh, it's hard to get up in the morning get tie your shoes. Yeah, I pee more. Yeah, ye, yeah. The best thing about being eighty is that you outlive the clocks that' been chasing you. It's freedom from that lie that anything was ever under control. You don't chase the parade anymore You're an old king from some vanished country You're harder to program. You're not rushing to become anything and you're not haunted by things that you did You're haunted by how little of it really mattered in the way you thought it would. haaunted by how little it really mattered. in the way you thought it in the way you thought it would. Now the worst thing about being eighty. Okay. I assume other people probably did the best thing You know, you don't have to worry about getting erections. Worse things you have to pee more during the night. You know, it's probably other people did like one. Yeah, yeah, yeah The worst thing The worst boy, does this resonate Resignate? Sure. Resignate. Resignate. Yes The worst thing about being eighty is you still want to say yes to everything, but the world moves without asking The old fire in your heart still tells you to do this and that, but your body says, we already did it Also, nothing surprises you It sounds like a luxury, but it's not. And also you've run out of illusions People treat you like either you've solved something or you've lost something. and you haven't You see life repeat itself everywhere. The really worst part of being eighty is that you find it last You've got an understanding of something that might have altered everything in the past at a come at a time. when something could still be altered When you're young, you think that time moves forward At eighty, you know that it doesn't. It's standing still We're the ones that move Damn it. He's asked comment in a fluff piece in the New York Times. Yeah. and he lays out Beauty and truth really lays it out. Also just even a proposition of asking him. right? Yeah likeike what do you think the odds are in the office that Dylan was going to say yes. Yeah And then he does. You got to you read the second one you read the first one twice, You have to read that one twice. I do. I do. I'm got. Yeah. The worst thing, the worst thing about being eighty is that you still want to say yes to everything. the world moves without asking The old fire in your heart still tells you to do this and that But your body says, we already did it Also, nothing surprises you. It sounds like a luxury But it's not And also you've run out of illusions People treat you like either youve solved something or you've lost something And you haven't You see life repeating itself everywhere The really worst part about being eighty is that you find it last You've get an understanding of something that might have altered everything in the past. come at a time when something could still be altered When you're young, you think that time moves forward at eighty You know that it doesn't. It stands still We're the ones that move. There you go. What a wonderful tackling of the assignment by Bob Dylan. Yeah yeah. way to actually lean in and full throated If that wased to you as a homework assignment. Yeah, you would hold your red pen and not do anything Just already put the smiley face in the upper corner. and giveing him a gold star. Gold seal. Yeah, no, we were talking about So the World Cup is happening right now. Really? Yeah. Soccer. Yeah yeah, good job. And my kids are fans of the messi this player named Messi. Messi four years ago played for Argentina and Argentina won the World Cup. And where's Messi from? Argentina. And he He said that, you know, he was already kind of playing for at an older age than most advanced athletes play playing an the elite level. So he initially said he would not play in this World Cup. He would not play because four years from now he figured that he he would be washed for four years from then. Yeah yeah, four years from then to now And then he's playing now. my son said, Oh my God, he said he wasn't gonna play and now he's playing. And I was like, right. You talked to Sinatra. Exactly. I was like, you always think you're gonna feel older when you're older But you don't. When you get there, you're like, I'm still me. I can still do all these things, right? It's usually someone else is tell you to stop for whatever reason. People are telling me to stop. You guys just signed a three year agreement. Yeah Isn't that stupid I was curious, obviously ever we actually made a lot of news, because I thought that's what I thought was stupid that people are like, oh, this gu guysy sign another deal, which I guess the whole reason why you guys put out a press release and put out the whole thing is that people go, you know, yay. They're still there. Yeah And some people So the first time I heard people go like three years. And I was like, are you kidding? I was like, arere you crazy? And that's thing' like, what do you think you can't do three years from now that you're doing now? You know, like anybody to anyone, Walk. Thin you have that wrapped up by the time you're fishing out your reo? I don't know, you know, I'm still, we went up to Toronto. Yeah A during the meet and greet. Yeah. Well, first of all, it was phenomenally successful. Yeah We had like, had one show for sale Yeah back in December and it sold out instantly Like Taylor Swift fast, right? Yeah. And so they add another show And thats sold out wicked fast. So they added a third show. Yeah. And that sold out wking fast. So it turned out in three shows, we had like ten thousand people coming to see us. That's very exciting. And they were enthusiastic And it was a beautiful theater. And the crowds are really, really hot And we were on We were also very good. Great Well, not great. Because I did I did a show at night of the difficult road show. Yeah yeah. Totally trashed my ankle. needeeded a day off. The next day I had two shows So between the two shows. Yeah, I was backstage with my feet up. U Talking to friends, I told them I would not leave my dressing room You know, if they wanted to bring food in They could do it, but I wasn't going out to any restaurants. Yeah yeah. So I had people around me, friends from Australia who are in Toronto because they won't come to the USA. Oh. Why is that And that was the amazing thing, you know, It was a very successful run, but one of the reasons was during the meet and greet Like a lot of people, like three Yeah, which is a really high number said, Yeahah, yeah, we come to see you every year in Vegas, but we're not doing that anymore. So it was nice to see you here This is a bummer Now I got yeah, I gott laugh today at my show where I said, Where are you from? They said, Canada. I said, whooa. And they looked at me like, whoa, I go, I I didn't think you guys were coming here anymore. And I got a nice laugh out of the audience there. But they were laughing because we thought it was true. Yeah. That is a bummer. People are being detained F everywhere. Yeah. I know people from Mexico, British citizens from Mexico, from Great Britain to Mexico to the US, deported No, I mean, the World Cup is they're making news with the refs or certain players, certain teams just aren't being allowed into the United States to play or do their job. It's a strange deal. And that's really happening. It's really happening. And it's all based on what? We don't want stinky soccer players in our country. That's I mean, like like I want to If if I, you know Besides just, you know crying racism, I'm trying to think like what was the incident You know, Stonewall was a travesty, but we can point to Stonewall as an event What was the event that created this wave of xenophobic mainstream policy I don't know I mean, it was just racism being racist being told it was okay. Yeah. And really just the scapegoating of boogeymanning immigrants as the problem for all your problems. rightight? Which is always what people do. And it's so strange because you want to then point to something. I don't know what you're pointing at. Point your ass, say fuck Is New York still standing As far as I know, it is. And I even saw much more I guess peaceful celebrations compared to previous celebrations than Nick fans were having. We were in to do We were in do Fallon on Monday. Yes. And our crew decided to go out and do some pre looting You know, like you do Christmas shopping early. Yeah, yeah, yeah I got that all the way. Is just smash a window here, grab a thing there? Yeah. Yeah U Yeahah. but you know, when you don't win the championship for fifty three years and it's a giant city, people get excited fifty three years has been? Yeah. Yeah yeah. Wow. That's a long while ago. Yeah. But the whole idea The Kicks should have written thatt Kicks should have written the best things about being as old as they are and terrible things about It's so strange that the Kicks obviously don't exist. Right. You know, there's no team Well, I think, you know, you're talking about likeoting rooting for players versus rooting for laundry, right? Like rooting for just the things. They do have some very Is that a term they use rooting for laundry? Yeah you're just rooting for laundry. Yeah, yeah. You know Like my kids will root for this team, there's a reality show called Welcome to Wrexham where you follow a soccer team that went from a small town that's built their team up to get into in England, you can go up all these leagues as you're more successful and you can be relegated to lower leagues if you're not successful. And we don't have anything like that here. so my kids are fascinated by it But all of the players they rooted for as they've gotten more successful are gone because they just keep having to replace them with more talented people to compete with the higher leagues. And we were watching the show and it just was like, who are we rooting for anymore? So I mean we shouldn't talk about this because everybody understands it except me. Yeah. But what you have What is the team is the owner Andoney the owner he has the owner has to buy the players who he believes can win. So it's more complicated than that. Most people love the team and hate the owners of their team. That's a very common thing And in this case for this, it certainly is the case. Basketball has a salary cap, so everyone has to spend the same amount of money c within a certain range. and there's very complicated punishments for different infractions against those rules. basasically, you're trying to even the playing field by make sure everybody spends approximately the same amount of money And basketball has gotten remarkably popular across the world So the idea of just buying counted players around N across I guess across and every which way until it's all the way around. Well see, when you say across the world, you're really shooting flat earth. Right, R, right, right. I'm dog whispering to my people. This just reminds me that at the Magic Cast week, I met someone who wrote a book where they are the children of fllat Ethers And I was curious about that book. so maybe I should follow up on that person. That might be a good if we do a Zoom episode that might be good guess. Anyhow. So basically like the idea of just buying town to players has gotten more complicated because there's just a lot ofent. What The way basketball is played. Yes. Okay. Yeah is someone creates a team. Yes, and then someone decides how to spend X amount of money. That's true. Yeah. Part of the owner decides who's gonna decide to pay that amount of money? Yes they put that money together and they purchase players they can Yeah, which makes it sound like slavery, but I mean the high contontract contract. Yeah. Then they play Yes And the people believe they're rooting for players and their town But they're really rooting for how well someone chose what players to bring to that town? I would phrase it a little differently. Okay. I would say that people have basically are inclined to some kind of confirmation bias to root for their team Should they be around that team. However U Just like I think a group of people together to make a movie. You know, I think like if you want to see, if you're interested in that movie being made be made properly, you kind of root for certain directors, certain actors to be on board and you want to see if that if this possible idea that you have in your head can come fruition in a way that you find satisfying. I think. I would say that's the way people root for basketball teams. But whose head Are we talking about So I would say like in the case there's not a story. No wh' a story is we win. Well, sure, but there's a story of like, say, like Jayen Brunson is the main is the guy w one NVP of the series, the best player in the series who won the championship. right. That guy was actually like on a bench player for another team He had some really good poseons the Kick signed him to a big contract and people thought they might have overstepped with that contract. that maybe wasn't worth the money. Then he turned around and was great for them, and when he could have signed for a lot more money, chose not to. He chose to sign for less money so that they could spend more money on better players around him to get more players on board. This rarely happens in sports and when it does happen, it rarely works And then so he actually paid some of the other players basasically a very direct way. Yes, yes, absolutely. To have a better team. Yes. Take that Bill Russell. And the NVP trophy for the finals is named after Bill Russell Right. Yeah, yeah. And so yeah, I would still say you still when you see a brand of basketball where people play like they're on the same page, like they share a mind, that they're fluid, it is more exciting to watch. It is more fun to see a team play like a team. And how much of that is real and how much of that is imaginary It's I guess I guess I'm like too into to know. Okay R right. But I hear what you're saying But I'd still say like you can tell when someone's playing I think you can tell when a team is playing good team basketball, when they're not You can. Yeah, I think you can. Yeah because there's a lot of chaos in the system. Right. But this but I think like anything else an art that grabs people who are ignorant, right? Like paintings that grab people who don't know anything about painting. I think there's a certain fluidity, a certain type of statement to things that make you go, Oh, that looks good. Like you said, you've seen highlights of Michael Jordan play basketball I will tell you if basketball was two and a half minute realel I CN Michael Jordan. I would think it was the greatest thing ever. Exactly, right? So like, you know, I think when you see certain fluid fun and kind of, you know spontaneous but you know, clutch performance moments. It's exciting to see, I think even if someone doesn't know anything about it. You know what bothers me about sports I said this many yearses is someone trying to do something and someone else trying to stop them. And as someone now who's the father of children who play sports, I've never felt more akin to that than you have. So like my kids both are in a school of rock where they learn how to play rock music and they did a David Bowie concert the other day and they play soccer where other kids try to stop them from doing what they want Boy am I with you one hundred percent? I love watching my kids try to play Bowie. Like it is much easier to watch my children try to play Bowie than it is to try to watch them try to beat another team. it is hard on the gut. Becauseuse you see the dream. Yeah. you know, it's that competition thing, you know? Yeah We are competitive, right? We are competing. we're no longer against Copperfield We're competing against other shows in Vegas. Yeah. but they're not I'd say your game has changed tremendously in the last few years. you're competing to, you know still be, you know, still shout above the sphere and Raider Stadium as an attraction. Sure. Yeah we don't do anything, I do a little bit. Don't to sabotage the others. Oh, I understand. Oh, that's good point. So sorry, I didn't underum where your point was going. That makes a lot more sense. So yeah, even even when Cper was thriving and you were considered, you know, whatever rivals You were not ever trying to like make sure fuck with his ticket sellers or I wasn't trying to say we're going to move the moon, so you can't make it disappear. Yeah ye. Or even like the old stern days where he would compete with other radio stations and hold funerals for them. That bothered me. I bet that would bother. I bet that have bothered you. Yeah yeah ye. Yeah, were you weren't hold a funeral for speaking shutting it down. Did you see Rubio talk about the moon launch? No it is in a time when we've had amazing, amazing pieces of video. Yeah. This is Rubio suuckking dirty dog dick. to suck up to Trump in a way we've never seen a human being do Isn it I mean, you don't know what it is yet. I don't even know what it is yet, but there are other examples that come to mind. No, no. Okay. Nothing close to this. Okay, great. Not wearing the big shoes that don't fit you. not, you know, you're the greatest leader of all time. is So surreal that you can't even get your mind around it Rubio said, I think in Congress, Okay Rubio said, John F. Kennedy said we're going to put a man on the moon and bring him back safely And no one believed him They thought it was impossible That's what the best presidents do. They do the impossible. And people told Trump he couldn't bring UFC to the White House lawn. and he is going to do it . Oh man Yeah I think they're different things And then LOD pointed out something. The amount of movies we'll be making about the UFC on the front lawn of the White House, I don't know, might be the same as how many times we've beenfested by people on the moon. Yeah. When you look at history I would say like one of the strangest has happened in my lifetime is the is the examination of that, right? that landing on the moon was absolutely just an unbelievable feat and just an awesome patriotic pride point U for my childhood routines, right? It was only when I got older I understood that at the time it was controversial. I didn't understand until much later in life that it was controversial to do that. that people were dying in the program. Why are we doing it? that kind of stuff? Very controversial. Yeah. And I did not understand that Pting people into the space has always been controversial. Right. By the way, I believe I've always been stupid But it was still wonderful. Yeah. What I really liked and I' forget I've read a lot of books about Yes, ye, yeah. space travel And the one that killed me was they actually went, actually went to Madison Avenue. And they got the top ad people They brought them together and said, Can we find a way to sell to the American people that we're going to put someone on the moon and leave them there and not bring them back and they will die there? They did. There was an actual exercise. 'ause they knew they could do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To bring it back, that's the really hard part. R? But I say really hard part, not that you and I. with ready the first part. Maybe with Rady could do the first part. Okay, I belieave all the time and resource in the world We could somehow get something to hit the moon You think the three of us could do that? Whatever we put in there would die on the way. I don't think it would get to the moon alive I don't think I could hit the moon with anything. Okay, with nothing. Yeah. Give it all the time in the world. Ready? Could you do that? I took a masterclass for that. Beause you said you me and Redady. Yeah if you said you and I, I would share your pessimism. you put Rady on our team. I had a friend and people would be able to guess who that friend was. Okay, who had an illegal laser. It was really illegal. You weren't allowed to have it. It was too dangerous. and he had gotten it black market and rebuilt it. Not too many people that I know can do that. And he brought it out to my house And he, uh, Use the laser to show us that as far as we could say, He could point with a dot Wow, with binoculars Th then he set up a telescope and was able to put a pin pointoint of light on the moon. Oh my gosh. Yeah That's bad ass. That's bad ass. He said you didn't want to put your hand in front of it because we know what laser stands for Slf contained underwater breathing apparus. Yeah. It was something. So anyway, He said that it was the same now, Lawrence O'Donnell. Yeah. See, this is the part. Lawrence O'Donnell always has an angle that's one step beyond what I could think of. He did not hit the fact that they were comparing UFC on the White House lawn to going on the moon. Yeah What he hit was the fact that Rubio said no one believed John F. Kennedy when he said it. and LOD said, That's where it starts being wrong. Right. Be everyone believed it. because the president of the United States didn't lie So the president of the United States could say, we're going to put a man on the moon and bring him back. And people in the world said, that's amazing, but they're probably going to do it. And Donald Trump's never going to do the UFC or the White House a lot of P people said, We don't know. He lies about everything That's the point, right? No, I mean, look, I'm okay with it happening because I think there's no greater snapshot to Donald Trump's presidency than the helicopter shot of the still demolished wing of the White House lawn next to a giant cage fight in the front of the White House. Like that to me is the most perfect snapshot as to like what it's been like to have this man as president And I think it was Jimmy Fallon that pointed out there's going to be lightning storms and all that stuff. He said, what does God have to do to make it clear he does not approve of Donald Trump? I mean, the poor guy is giving us every slog, every symbol you could possibly Yeah How was found Al was wonderful. See telleller and I have always had this ongoing fight There have been Six times in the past when We've had to do a TV talk show hit. Yeah. And the bit that we've had that is best is a bit that solo. Solo pen bit, solo telleller bit. Yeah, yeah yeah. Teller always gets wicked pandy bunched and says, how do we bring the other guy in? And I say we don't need to. If you have a real partnership, one person is all you need to represent that partnership Okay. It's only bullshit partnerships that you need to. I mean, Crocket and Tubs on Miami Vice had to always show they were always both there for no one believed it was a partnership because it wasn't right When you have a real partnership real partnership and Paul Simon didn't understand this When you have a real partnership Yeah, Art Garfunkel stand at someone playing the grand piano and do bridge over troubled waters while Paul is off in the wings Yeah. and that is a Simon and Garfuncle hit. Right. Yeah. And the best example ever was and I hope I'm remembering this right. I may not be, But my memory was that Ed Sullivan said and now the Beatles Paul came out alone. Right. And did yesterday I mean, there was a Sreing courourtread or something, but there was no other beatle. Yeah. You know. And I believe that that moment that I either understood or made up But that was true partnership. Yeah. True partnership to me is the fact that there are solo things done by the partners that are set under that name Yeah, I mean,'s it's it's interesting. I think because you're Part of you, even you know fifty years on, has to assume that people are seeing you or understanding you for the first time. That's part of the reason why you do these television appearances, right? Sure. So I do understand O remember that we're still alive. Right, All of that. Yeah. They go like, oh, shoot, I have to pay up at the office Damn, I bet that they were dead. Damn Yeah. I tell you, Keith Richards and Petateeller are costing me cash money. you talking about Toronto, It's like people always like w the stones, stones are still doing. Oh my. theones still touring. It's like, well, they still sell forty thousand tickets. So yeah, as long as you're still as Franky Valley, people still pay to see Frankie Valley as much people want to make fun of them for Tiko People still spending money on tickets to see them, right? They want tond m to be in my room. You had ten thousand people who were still like, Yeahah, let's go. Yeah. So what do you you know Um I'm I'm younger than Mick Jagger by more than ten years. Oh yeah they by thirteen years? I knew that. okay. I knew that. M. And forty thousand people are buying tickets in Toronto, only ten thousand. You probably could have done the amount of shows needed to do that. They did want add more ye. Yeah, yeah, you could have I think I think think yeah, I think I think that I think it sounds like if you were saying out that fast, it sounds like you could have done a real run up there if you wanted to. You know, and I also think I'm this is very out of character for me. Yeah. but I'm going to say it. I think that The show we did in Toronto? Yeah. By many people's estimate. Yeah, includluding my own Best show we've ever done Oh wow, you never speak like that. U might not be true for some of the other elderly performers Right. I think if you don't handicap Pen and telleller at all Yeah. if you do the pen and telleller, whatever you consider to be when we first made it, you the Broadway show of nineteen ninety and the show we're doing now I believe the show we're doing now is better if you don't take into account age at all Correct. I do not jump like I did on Broadway. Right. I jump from the opera box onto the stage like a twelve foot jump I made. You don't see that, but I believe that we are better at what we're doing than we were then. Well, one way to certainly give that more credibility is to say like when you started, it wasn't like you start off by being guys who like shot off their abs and box jumped, right? Like and maybe, you know, whatever. like there was, you know Uh People have never gone to see Penateella because we're sex symbols. Our slogan should have been Penateeller. Watch their show. You don't have to think about fucking them And your're higher caliber in terms of like your appeal is higher caliber than simply that you're funny. You guys are funny. It's a very funny show. I think you've always said the other day as they validate smart people for being smart and so they come to see a magic show and they make dumb people feel smart for coming to a magic show. Well, I've always thought that you're The definition of good writing Yeah was it makes you feel smart. Yeah. defefinition of bad writing is it makes you feel stupid. Right, You know. Yeah ye. If you're reading something that makes you feel stupid, means the writer's bad. You have is a beautiful like incingruity of intellectual appeal for magic show and magic shows when magic shows are about deception. The fact that you have an intellectual and artistic. I think we did a good job there. we did a really good job. And that's in is that there's no reason why age should disqualify that in any way. That notion and what you guys work on and you guys have unlike other magicians have stayed in the amount of tricks we're putting in, we're putting in new stuff over the next couple of months, putting in four new bits That's crazy. So that and I'm also working on this piff and pop thing Yeah, ye, yeah. We're gonna to have some bits there and tell they're just okay Some jokes in the show We have some teller jokes Tiff and I came up with and laughed our nutsacks off. and I said I have to clear these with Teller Yeah. And Piv was like, ooh He'll never come to the show. He'll never know. Yeah. Maybe you don't have to clearear it with him. Yeah. And I said I'm going to. So I told it to tell her. These are mean jokes. Yeah. andntell her went greatreat. That was it. I wantna talk a little bit about masterclass dot comot com slash pen And I'm so reick w' youk with to. We were talking, you know, if you've ever wanted to know how to improve a work skill. Yeah Okay, the way to go at it is not directly sometime. Sometime you can watch a class takeake a class on basketball and learn something about how you're going to how you're going to run your business better. but I have specific things I always want to learn. Right. And my stuff, my obsession is creating habits. Yes. My day is ridiculous with habits and there's still great information on how you build habits. You build your habits, then they build you. That's the way it works. And there's a guy who was watching hisse name I don't remember. Okay who I've gotten deep into the class with who who's talking about building habits. And it's really helpful to me. What triggers that, what makes it happen, how you set the level. 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You get fifteen percent off by going to masterclassot slash pen That's masterclassot dot com slash A E N M Oh o, so just to finish the final point. you're both ultimately like right. Teller making sure that any new person would understand like, oh, that's that duo that I've understood before from a branding standpoint likeike, oh, they just snaps in my head as see you two standing next each other. It's like,, those guys remember that guy. And of course, you're right that if you see one person do a kick ass thing, you're not going to be like, oh, I'm not going to go to the show if I saddle with that other guy, you know whatever maybe I' on the masterclass. The idea when you when you're looking at decisions, the idea that one is So superior thatd be punished for making the other decision is the wrong way to look at decisions. Oh, say that again. The idea that like one is option is superior and the other will you know S, I should have better I just said it I forgget how I said it but the other that you'll suffer from the other decision. The otherion would be decidedly wrong is the wrong way to look at decisions, you know. Right. Yeah. so you know. Yeah, I was talking to Michelle Fitzpatrick. Yeah. Am I giving away an NDA for someone else? Michelle Fitzpatrick is also wouldn't be a first for us. is Tony Fitzpatrick's widow.. And I speak with her often. and she was saying that They're doing a mural Chicago. This may be secret. Okay of Jordi Fitzpatrick's Ds donon't tell anybody. anybody listen off Tony Fitzpatrick's stuff. The more you say the more you're confirming that you shouldn't be saying it. Yeah. And she was telling me what piece of art they wanted to put up. Yeah. And she was talking to her family. she was also talking to me. reallyally agonizing. Sure over it And I said, We've got to remember there's no wrong answer.. Your husband did all beautiful art. Yeah. There's gonna be a mural. I mean, maybe it's probably not real And hypothetically, if one were to make a mural, anyone is going to be absolutely fine. So we went on Fallon. Yeah and it was pretty great, pretty great. I went out and Fallon said So you guys have been really busy and I announced which I was not allowed to announce before Fallon. Yeah, which is an NDAU violation. That's when I violated. So did I. So did I. That's what you' can That's the one I got a text for you. We signed a thing with Fallon that said we wouldn't announce the extension of the Rio or another season of Fool us. Yeah before Fallon. Yeah. And you and I both did Why make a deal with us? Casually, I I imagine. We were just really just laying it out. Oh yeah, we don't We don't break rules Big rule breakers. No, no. We stumble through incompetently And he said, you've been pretty busy. And I said, yeah, we signed at the Rio till twenty thirty And everybody cheered. And I said we also got another season to fool us. Everybody cheered And then he said, do you get a trick for us? I said, Teller does Perfect. And I said Tarqu, you know, would you come over here, please that I walked away And then Teller didig glass portrait. One of the most beautiful things we've ever done talk. The trick is awesome. It's awesome. and also Telller went in, he would never do this if I were in it.. W at ten in the morning and worked on lighting for two hours You would never get me in at ten in the morning. No to work on lighting for two hours. No. I would have to punch telleller. Yeah. We're done. fine looks good. It looks fucking good. Let's go get a bagel. They They have tofu, fake cream cheese down the street. We're here lighting this stupid piece of shit. That's what I'd be saying. You what I was doing Sleeping. I did not go to rehearsals. How great is that? Yeah, ye ye Anden. listen, for the amount of times you've had a talk and he't talk so doesn't do the radio thing. this is a n this is fine. This is a fine exchange.en U, because Having been on Broadway seven times. Yeah. Okaykay. haaving toured in show business for my entire adult life. Yeah. I still don't understand some of the ways it works So I was offstage over where Tuk usually sits, right? Sting there watching teller ind to daydreaming Yeah,. Reminds me of one of my favorite jokes, which is guy goes in to a Cadillac dealership, and the dealer comes over to him and says, you thinking about buying a Cadillac? He says, I know I'm buying a Cadillac. I'm thinking about pussy. So I was over there. You're thinking about you're thinking about going on with telleller? No, I know I'm going on with telleller. Thinking about. So I was thinking about whatever I'm thinking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. People know what I'm thinking about But I'm paying full attention because I'm a professional. Yeah, right? Yeah. So it comes time for me to go on and I have to get Tariq to sign it and give it to Jibby Fall and that's my job. Yeah. So at the exact instant that I'm supposed to go. Right? Yeah. I start walking on camera and the stage manager who is very, very competent and very good and has all the cues, she taps me on the shoulder, saying, now's the time to go. Yeah. I think she's taaped me on the shoulder because she has something to say So I turn around and go, what What? She goes, Go, go, go. Meanwhile, Tellers's there going Gesturing for me to come. So Teller thought I was late. Because I was like. but I was on time. You know what I'm saying? I do. You understand what I'm saying. understand the position? Yeah. It wasn it because I was thinking about pussy? No, no, no, no. Too much safety procedures. Too much safety. I much red tape. I'm used to taking my own cbe. Yeah. You are. Yeah. I don't have someone tap me on the shoulder saying go now But if they had shoved you, would that be better? No, I wish what the fuck to fight. The best way would be for just leave me alone and I walk out there. But it was u very successful Yeah and made even more successful by the fact that not one single person saw it. because the Kicks were playing that night. I was talking when I was supposed to be rehearsing Yeah I was talking to Lawrence O'Donnell. Yeah. This is also something I shouldn't disclose Lawrence O'Donalll, Iber are talking on Faceetime. Okay. Now, Lawrence O'Donnell says the only two people who should ever be allowed to use FaceTime are Lawce O'Donnell and Pendlette. I said because we're the only ones who understand it. 'a we were on FaceetTime, both of us in bathrobes while we were peeing, while we were brushing our teeth You know, we're on Faceetime together. So then Lawrence and I are talking. Yeah. notot about politics. Yeah And Lawrence goes just a second and he looks down at his phone. I guess I'm on FaceTime on his computer. Looks down at his phone. and I'll tell you how long it went Okay, starting now Okay And then I said, what was that? He said, I just okayed the whole show for tonight. All the notes and the monologue. I said, in that amount of time, he said, The Kicks will be playing during my show. No one will see it. And I said, Well, Teller is rehearsing for our show that no one will say. But yeah, but this I've already seen your appearance pop up on socials and stuff like that. So it's still and I think at this point more people see it there anyway. So I think you're still okay. Yeah, I think it's still a very good, very good hit. Yeah. veryery good hit. We had a thing happen I usually First of all, I think you know I don't have much of a temper. I'm a powder. Yeah. you know, You've never seen me blow up many times, have you? Maybe never. I don't know. You want to be straight up like you were on Prednisone, I think. Yeah. and during the early days of a disiscovery Channel show. Oh yeah the only time I've ever seen you actually blow up. Yeah. I had to get off Prednisone for that reason. Yeah, and you said The very next day you apologize and said, I'm going to tell my doctor's not give me prednisone. So yeah. But last night ye, I had the sharpest answer to a person in the audience. I've ever had. I went to Battle of Dreams and the person I picked had some neurodiversity I don't know what it was. Right. I'm not a doctor. When he came up the stairs There was some difficulty in negotiating the stairs, which I understand. I can't get upstairs. And he came up And I asked him his name and for him to communicate what his name was took three tries. Yeah. I'm deaf, and he wasn't speaking that clearly. o And I was looking at him and by his carriage, I thought There's a chance that I'm going to have to open the papers and read these for him. Right Which hurts the trick. But that's not as important as him being brought up on stage and not being sent back. Right. That's more important. Okaykay. And I also glanced down at his family, It was with four or five people who seemed very happy he was on stage. Yeah. Sometimes someone will be like, whoa, probably shouldn't have picked our guy But they were just like, whoa, He's on stage. Okay. was everything was great and the audience was totally behind him. And turned out he read fine I was just totally prejudiced about that. He read fine. Okay. He had to read slowly for it to be clear, but he read fine. And there was a word or two, not in his reading, but his pronunciation that I helped him with a little bit But we were doing great And there was something, which everybody has trouble with, but his fine motor skills might have been a little off. So opening the paper opening crpleble pieces of paper took him ten percent longer than the average person. Okay, notot ridiculous. Okay, but a little bit longer. And he was opening like the third piece of paper. And someone of the audience went, getet on with it Oh And I turned to went, shhut up Fastest mind in com. but that was my clever combat. But it was said with that tone. Yeah,. Shut up. Yeah And the audience was entirely on my side, which is fortunate because it was an inapppriate you risk what you said is right away is you risk losing the audience. Yeah. They can just be like, boy Penn in person is is grumpier and angrier than I than I thought he was before I bought tickets to the show. But they just they just kind of went Yeah That guy needed to shut up. Yeah, no, that's good. I mean 'cause I have this thing yeah The way I do my shows is I mess with people too and I toe the line of like suffering people and that kind of stuff. And now I'm under the pressure under pressure, but you know, obligated to up social media stuff. And so when I put these clips on social media, I' often some of them are just like, oh, this guy' being a jerk. And you're like, no, everyone in the room is laughing and I'm doing that on purpose Like we're all on the same page. It's hard to communicate that sometimes when you share it outside of the room, right? And That'd be a hard moment to share, I think. where the audience is on your side. And that was that hunk that you did where you said, that's why I'm glad I'm a member of the American Nazi Party. Yeah. and everybody laughed. And there's choreography and there's costumes. and like, you know, we put a lot of effort Its a production. It's not a one man show. It looks like one man show. It's a production U But it was it was an abrupt shut up. Remember that would have been controversial to do that Now it's like that's Oh they're going mainstream. Exactly now just getting a different population to buy tickets. Well, that was the thing that Carr said Yeah. But how many podcasts want him on to hate women? Oh I know. now he's not willing to do that. That's so depressing. Oh so depressing. It's also so depressing that he's right. Yeah You could make so much goddamn money I will also say if you did not listen to last week's show Yeah with Car Hagermman. Yeah, stop listening to this one Yeah. It was one of the best shows you've ever done. It's just it was a hard one of the hardest stories we've had we've you know, had something come to tell. Oh yes, just just u that that one really I I, you know I had a really hard time shaking it offbard to going to do shows. Yeah, I Well, you know, I we had to for me, we had to turn it over to car. Yeah because I couldn't speak. Right. That it was not a gag. No. I was crying and I couldn't speak. No Yeah ye. the whole thing of his prison stuff And then just the speech to the YMCA Yeah The YMCAch. Jesus Christ. If you haven't heard last week's show, for the love of Christ, go back and listen to it. Yeah. said He said, tell everyone and you and I both started bawling But I was a t. On the words tell everyone. Yeah, tell everyone Yeah. whf Here we are again. Yeah, it was incredible. So I got some news Bingo the elf, Asassin. Okay. The last we heard. Yeah. I'd sent it off to my publisher. Yes. Who's my publisher who publishes everything. You probably Aash Akashic. Akashic books. Yeah Johnny. Yeah. and Random felony juggler. Yep. And now Bingo. Yeah. I saident it to him. Yeah. And you know, there was a little caveat. First of all, I said, I've written another book. It's a little weirder than the others. You want to read it As you said before, publishers always say, Hey, we want to publish everything you do until you have something they don't And I said it to him and uh He told me, this is very important. He told me, I'm not going to read it for a week because I have stuff to do d d d. So I wasn't like I was waiting every day. Right. And then right at the week, I get an email from him, which I would be too embarrassed to read Okay. Suffice it to say he liked the book. Really? Whoa, He said, swear to baby Jesus, this is one of the greatest things I've ever read. He said, I would be honored to put this out. He said, it is so, so And then he made comparisons to other literature that make me blind. Right. I was say that you were like, shut up. Yeah. And then he did my favorite thing, which is after saying, this is great, this is perfect, he said, I'll send you my editorial changes Which you know, we always get that in show business. Yeah. Cut, that was perfect. Let's do another. Right. Your book is perfect. Yeah. H's some changes. Yeah Um So that went well. Okay. And then Care and I Carri Coleman improv? Yeah, yeah yeah, who does what improv improvise Jane Austin. Yes. That's what she's mostion known. I' tell you for my arc on this was that you sent it to me. I'm in it. so' was really kind of fair go back to read it. Yeah, Bingo. I was really embarrassed to read it, and then I was like, well, he's saving even saident it to the publisher yet. If they shoot it down, then why should I bother reading and giving pen my thoughts. but now he's a person. I gott to read it. Yeah. It's a lot of Matt Donney. That' so weird. That's the weirdest part. It's a lot of big big entry for me. Yeah. It's a lot of Matt Donnelly. You show up at like four key points and you are you are a major star And I would say Yeah, you are the only one in the book Who does nothing morally wrong? Yeah The that's where it's a mistake. in terms of that's not that's not the kind of message you want to send out there. you also I do arguments Yeah with characters Yeah. and you are the only one making sense. You are There are crazy people around you and you I'm actually portraying you the way you really are were you were kind and open hearted and trying to get along with everybody. And I put you to a situation where that's impossible. Okaykay? becausecause you're dealing with crazy people. But you are trying. Yeah. and you are trying to get Th Misanthropes Yeah. Misanthrop, Misthropes. I think Misanthropes. Misanthropes. out to have pizza all together. they just want to sit in their rooms. You're trying to hang out. Okay. You're trying to just be funny.' all you want to do. Yeah. Everybody else has elaborate agendas You right want to do funny shows for people. That's all. ye And it's if you are a Matt Donneley fan, and many people are, you will love Binko. Um Although Piff yes does not come off as well And he has read the book. Yeah. And Piff said Piff read the book and said, why don't you just call this Piffs a cun There's several levels Ppp does knock come off great on. Yeah, yeah, yeah Not Dondley, however, So Carrie Coleman, Yes, who does improv with Jane Aust. Yeah. and has cried in every show on TV. And yeah, way back in the day with groundlinkings, right? Or was was a different name of theatater. think It was a different name the. Okay. And she's also The first first lesbian couple on reoccurring lesbian couple on a situation comedy. There you go. on Seinfeld. Oh nice. Yeah.. she played George Yeah George's Girlfriend who's actually a lesbian. Yes. She did several shows there. And she's been in everything. killer. Titan. veryery funny. Yeah. She plays Bu Burnham's mom on his show. Lots of stuff. She plays Spider Man's Now spite of his bomb, it. No, Spideran's Girlfriend's mom. Okay. So mayaybe Spider Man's mom. MJ's mom? I don't know. Um She's done everything, but she wrote a play with me. Okay. It was a play that we originally titled Kaden Comes Back. Yeah. that we changed that title to donon't stab your daughter in the eye. Right. That we changed that title to delusions. Okay I now like Kayen comes back Okay, but that script is gone out And here's what happens. This was happens to me. Yeah. You work hard on a play, right? Yes. Or a movie or anything. Writing anything is hard. And you write the script right? And you write all this stuff that you think is great. okay? Yeah. And you make different drafts, you know you do whatever forty drafts and you talk to your partner, you talk to You know Jason Alexander, who is George in Seinfeld. All right is directing this So you talk to your director. Okay And that's all fine You know, you have you have lunch at the suunset Marquis. you have those really good potato chips that aren't good for you really salty Yeah and you talk about the play and you envision the play and it's really everything's going well. okay? Yeah. And then you really hope that you get investors and a producer. Okaykay? Yeah. And then that hope comes true. And we have Olivia, incredible producer, Neil an incredible producer. Right. And we have more money than we need to do the show Okay. for a play. Yeah. And the show has been sent out to a bunch of people like Edinburgh and Chicago Shakespeare and Sydney Opera House and Steppa Wolf. and they seem to like it. Okaykay? Yeah. So that's everything's good there. That's when my life is good Then we have a Zoom call And on the Zoom call is two producers The long suffering gland is also producer The stage manager, which is really important. Yeah. Assistant director, stage manager. Yeah And they're all talking about when we're going to do the run in LA. for just seventy five people. People are flying in from Australia, Great Britain. It's just a showhowcase Yeah, it's what's called a stage reading. Okay. They'll have scripts in their hands, but we'll do some of the stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah And you have all those people on the call And they start making plants Yeah. And they're saying stuff like millions of dollars. Yeah And they're saying stuff like we'll do a tour of Australia. And they're saying stuff like people are flying in from Australia just for the reading. I've been that I've done that flight. People are flying in from Great Britain. Yeah. And we need to get this set designer who's one Tony's and we're going to get this casting director that we're on this equity C Dack for rehearsals And this is the d it'll start and I start to open my mouth And I can see Cry another window and Glen another window going what I want to say is Wait a minute This was just me fucking around. Yeah, I mean, you langing out right now. When you first started talking about going back and forth for care writing a play, it sounded so unambitious. Yeah. It just sounded like a really fun project you both like really enjoyed writing together. We really did. It did not feel like you were trying do you know, LA has a lot of small theaters and people do all kinds of different wr. they're say stuff like How do we get the ghost to appear out of the refrigerator? Right? Stuff like that? Yeah, yeah yeah. Who do we get to do the wire work, get the paranormal people to do some of the thread work in the middle of this? And what are we going to do? We think maybe the whole set should shake and that's going to add hundreds of thousands to our budget, but it's probably worth it They're saying stuff like that And I want to say I'm sorry. This is I probably should have spoke up earlier. It's gotten a little out of hand. I first off, apologize. I apologize. We were just fucking around. We type stuff into the script that's really hard to do. Yeah. because we didn't think anyone ever have to do it And also you're talking about Re actors that I've seen on TV doing this? Yeah. They got other stuff to do They shouldn't be doing this. O even if they don't. They need a little break. We don't need to saddle them with this. No. And the people that are putting money into this show Yeah they work on malaria or something? I think I've wasted all of your time and I think I've wasted enough time. I think we should quit right now because I'm scared And they say, and Penn is going to be doing Piff and pop over in Great Britain. He will fly back He'll miss the first two days of rehearsal, but he'll be there for the third day of rehearsal. Can Penn be there in the morning and Glen goes We have to see how Penn is feeling. He has no breaks over in Great Britain. It's a long flight, but all he's got to do is be there. and he's going go he'll be there And they say, and you'll be there doing rewrites, pen, and you'll be there also to plan all the magic out. And I go Okay And they go, then for the reading, we want you to make a statement And I go,, okay. And Glen says, he has to fly out to do a corporate date, so he won't be there for that reading. And for the second reading, he's got a show to do in Vegas. We can probably helicopter him back and forth. And I go, all right. And they say, We just want you to make some opening remarks about this play. And I go, like don't bother doing it. It's a mistake. It's too much work. You can quit now Boyys this embarrassing And Carerie is gung ho. Yeah. and Glen is gung ho. And the producers are going, peopleople are loving this play. They're reading it. They're very excited. We're having no trouble with money. We're having no trouble with theaters. We're ready to really go on this. And I go, o But don't you understand I'm attached to it. A some point I'm going to fuck everything it up. stop it, stop it, stop it. So we were in Toronto. Yeah. bothoth Carrie and I because we've definitely doing is play in Toronto So I should also say at this point, as much as you are joking around, I'm also now very excited to see this show. I'm with them. I'm with the other team. Yeah. This sounds awesome. The only thing I don't agree with you on is the joking around part So we go into this room, o? Yeah. and I want to tell you how classy this room is They have triangular triskets I've never seen them. The fuck triangular Tiskets and other snacks and they've got champagne ets of it. Yeah. And there's about thirty people in there thirty people. That's all. Yeah. And they've all come to see the show. Right. The Penateellar S show. Yeah. But I can't stand up because I just done the Penate tellellar show So I'm sitting in an easy chair It's like a living room setup. Yeah. half of them have read the play. Yeah. And Carrie and I and Olivia have to give a speech to them because they want to be partners with us. Its a guy runs the whole Edinburgh Festival. a woman that runs all of Chicago's shakes Stepper Wolf, Australia that they're in the room. And Care has to make a little speech about this and then I am The lead attraction, I'm going to make a speech afterwards So Carrie finishes her A I don't know fifteen minutes, twenty minutes about what inspired her to write this play, how she brought me into it, what we did together, what we work together, what the themes of the play are, how it deals with some of the themes of adolescence, the show, how it deals with some of the themes of paranormal, the show, how it deals with a revenge plot but also coupled with teenage girls and their daughters, and how which she states very strongly U Nothing to do with men. There's no discussion of old their divorce looking for boyfriends. There's none of that It's a play of four women And she finishes and then throws it to me. And I say, you know, Karrie could cry whenatever she wants to. She's done in all these shows. Could she just show us how she could just cry like this? And Carrie goes, I'm not gonna cry out that. I go, she could do it though. She could do it right now instantly if she wanted to. She goes, I don't want to. Why don't you talk about the play pen? I go, Okay And at this point I want to scream Run out of the room now I am this is gonna crash and burn in some horrible way that I can't predict. I yield my time back to Cere She was really good. No know, but I say stuff about Integrating magic and skepticism and how it deals with those I actually get through it. Okay. and I do okay. And they say, one guy read the play says, I just think it's incredible. I think it's wonderful. We can't wait to do it. Someone else says I really like it. someone else says I can't wait to read it, B boom, boom, boom, boom. And they say, do you have anything else to say back And I say, She can cry, you know. And they say, anythingthing else and I say Did the rest of you ' I can't stand up really, ' my ankle's bad. Did all the rest of you eat those triangular triskets? Because I really like them. And could someone bring me some of those triangular triskets? And Olivia stands up and goes, Thank you, Pen. And looks like that's going too. That's exciting. Yeah, terrifying. It is terrifying for you, but it's exciting for the rest of us What if I can't do it? you're not alone now at this point. No, no, no I think that's where I have a lot of faith in Carrie. And Olivia. Yeah Carrie said to someone, she's running the she runs the whole Luminati festival in Toronto. Okay. She used to run the Sydney Opera House. Okay So Care said it sounds like you guys accomplished what what those people would love, which is something that feels new. Yeah. We accomplished that. Yeah. but this also was scary. Carrie was talking to a guy who's worked in Australia Yeah. and she's making small talk or I don't know what she's doing. Yeah. None of my business what she's doing with her. R. But she says, yes, and Olivia wants to take this plan and a tour of Australia very soon. and the guy says If Olivia wants to do something, it gets done.. I've never seen her not do something she planned to do So I'm thinking to myself when Care tells me that, so I'm the one that's gonna bring it out. Just like Arthur Penn could not make a bad movie. Right till he met me But I'm deep into working on the new book, which is Ben telleller fifty two yearsars of Failure So I'm spending nothing but all my time writing right ways I failed. I think that it's interesting is it's just becomome such a huge part of your life writing. I was always been. Yeah. I mean that That goes back before magic. I've always written all the time. Yeah, ye It's needs plers or not Do how many plac have youve written? Some would say that Penateeller Yeah show Of course. Yeah. I've written about six plays. Okay five plays. Now the next part is how many of those were successful? Well, I did not write Book of Mormon. As a matter of fact, I talked to Trey and Matt about Book of Mormon when they were writing it and I had some suggestions that they didn't take probably wisely.. Just one decision worked, doesn't mean the other decision was a mistake In this case Did you try to make other plays? This is like a whole world I'm not aware of. Yeah. I wrote a really good play called Lo Tapes. I'm really proud. That's right. I do. Rember loveve Tapes. I wrote a play called Do you W to know a Secret? Another play called Recreation about serial murders. I'd read the phrase recreational murder and it drove me crazy. Yeah, ye. And I've written People love loveve tapes. You did productions of that. We did like three productions of that yeah. Yeah. But we didn't have Olivia. Right, But that's mean but right, But that's like the case, right? Like it takes it takes the Oliviaas of the world. There are still people that are in charge of these things. She's so good at everything. Yeah. I mean, you put Olivia and Glenn together I don't know why they need me in telleller I think that's a question that Glenn asks himself all the time. Had you co wrritten a play before? Yeah. coote I co wrote love Tapes for Stephen Banks. Okay of SpongeBob. Yeah, yeah And I co wrote, Ohh, Mrs. Laonssbury's Sance of horror, which I co wrote would teller. Yeah, yeah. That was a complete failure. A huge failure. You you tell me if you want to research it now, you could make that successful? I could not. I think even Olivia could not make that successful There are a lot of things in that you guys are proud of Can't think of them right now, I'll be sure So what do you got coming up? I'm at the magician's rooom every Tuesday and Wednesday at four thirty. Come out and see my little magic show. How's that going? going well Oh well, I mean, uh, you know We break an evening to start, which is I think a good way to start. And yeah, we're improving the way we're getting butts and seats. Certainly not the way Amazon started. I was joking with piff, he's like, you know, the sphere overshot its budget by two billion dollars. He goes, could you imagine what I would do in this town with two extra billion dollars They cost two billion do more than they planned? Yes Yeah, the initial budget was two billion do, it costs them four billionars to make it and do everything. Wow And they still lost money on their early concerts. They're still losing money every. Yeah, yeah. Have you been to the sphere? I have not. mee neither. I have no interest I'm supposed to. I have a curiosity, but I don't have like a nine hundred dollars curiosity. That's what it's costing. For most concerts in' in the hundreds and or even go see the Wizard Oz Right, but then I got to pay for the fan, right? So I'm not gonna go by myself to the wizard of Oz So that's going to cost it's gonna cost me eith way it's going to cost a hundred bucks. stay You this is genius. Yeah. This is genius. You know Fam. Yeah I really want us to go to the sphere, but I can't afford a ticket for me. This is your way out. Oh yeah. Then you can go to Starbucks Just right there. sit there. Yeah. wait for them to get out. Yeah. Say, hi, how about those monkeys? Yeah, you're done. I can go grab a bite at the Ellis Island. I can go there for lunch. Sure. Hang up there. Yeah. Yeah U yeah, I don't know who I would see. Yeah. And you go see no doubt. Yeah, like I like that but I don't, you know, that level. I don't know. And you what the new kids on the block? Well they did in sync. sameame thing. No The other one B boys. Bashet boys in sync Zach Brown Band, even I saw of the footage from, that looks incredible. but I was I'm not familiar with his work And yeah, yeah yeah metallic is going to come in there. That'll be, you know, interesting, but those will be craz expensive Yeah, but I have much more affordable shows. over at the Link Link Pomenade and then I'll be a percentage Yeah of how many times could you see Matt Donghy's show? Oh for the price for the best seats to see no doubt at the sphere. Thty, thirty or forty times, maybe? Pty times. Yeah. Yeah, yeah ye ye So see Matt Donneley for a tim. I'll be doing the new House of Magic, which is the old smmoke and mirrors. It took over an old bank in Glensside P. It's a nice magic theater they've built there. I'll be in there at the twenty sixth and twenty seventh of it. I'm doing an improvis Shakespeare show with Paul Madley and Bread Sherwood in the Fall Frch here in Las Vegas. Oh, that'll be fun That'll be very fun We're really laying out a really funny music. Shakespeare the musical Imrovis is what we're calling it. Nice. And yeah, it's going be it's going to be a lot of fun. Yeah, Bob Th those are great people. Yes. Yeah, yeah. yeah. and the Mikepeedon on Kys great we're having a lot of fun collaborating on this. I think we're only doing three shows and I think that's going to be the thing is that I think we're going to want to do it more than this, but good That super fun. And I won't violate a uh I won't blow the whole thing by saying this, but occasionally you might have a guest at your right. Yeah Yeah yeah. if I happen to see someone that I know and I can invite them up on stage to do something, they might do something. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. well That was Pen Sunday School brought to you by masterclass dot com dot com slash pen Go there to get a discount and for lifelong learning at masterclassot dot com slash pen. That was Penn Sunday schoolchool. I'm likeking you're a YouTube guy. You're a Spanish YouTube guy You know, Cha Cha Cha, you become naked And you know we love you. Hey, Matt, goy I'm to thank. Yes, I'm going to than the following people support us on our Patreon page. 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