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pilot TV this week we are turning into human vapor, but not because of the recent heat wave, but because we're reviewing Japanese supernatural series Human Vapor on Netflix. Plus, we head up to Scotland for some tot and crry antics in the dark on ITV and attempt to put our anti animation bias to bed once and for all for season two of Xen ninety seven on Disney pllus Esther Smith is on the podcast this week to talk seeason five of tryrying I'm James Diy and welcome to Pilot TV, your centr guide to every show that matters and we are all in the studio this week, even, even steph. And I'm wearing my cowboy shirt. Do you will notice? like this is my cowboy shirt? Because we're recording our long promise slash threatened Yellowstone special today. although if you are a plus subscriber, you've already listened to it just to complicate things a little bit because the way we do these things. And if you're not, then now of course, it is the perfect time to subscribe because you get extra shows, spoiler specials, ad free listening experience podcast? Was it seventeen hours early or something mad like that? You know, it's bargain. An absolute bargain to do that. and you also get to listen to the Yellowstone spepecial as Well Oh, very, very exciting. U Okaykay, right. fine. you're here, Boyd Hilton, Stephealland. How are you both? ood I mean, James just told me off, I'm just gonna say, he told me off for something. He accused me of making noises and doing emails when in fact it was It was Boyed. Boyd he. Yeah. It was boyd all along. This is like a whack of the Chistie, isn't it? It turns out it was bed in context. I've been waiting like hours. while You two were at a beauty sale. icking out like Yes, I knowoners I know Toners Yeah. All right. that mean that is fair point. I've been patient waiting and then suddenly James decides, Oh let's start now and I happen to be doing one email. And we have been doing some admin. Well maybe we've got you some as well. There might be a nice bronzer you get your eye that we could give you. Don't don't hit the piss. No As a fellow ball man, I feel Yeah, you're making jokes about the beauty site. What? I am so excited about the potential. Do you think, right that we might get the cast of off campus when they season. I'm fairly certain you will not be allowed within like five hundred meters of the cast of off campus. Wh? I've seen some people obsessed with TV shows in my time, but I think this might be the most obsessed I've ever seen someone. because again to put in context, you spent the last hour in the office talking about it to anyone who will listen Yes, I did, I did. but that's as I said to them, okay. Belmont Cameelli is redefining masculinity for a generation. o and it's really important that we you have no real outlet I think pes about that because it would be probably be too detailed for. It be doesn't m much crime month. I know he hasn't committed any crime. As far as we know some kind of pilot TV newsletter by stepah about off campus. You contribute to my newsletter, maybe. Oh, I can I mean that's one little dy for you. Yeah. The by bulletin someone's called It's not called that. That's good. that That will be good. But why why talking about that is I was thinking God the hair ratio if we get all of those boys in, right? with you guys in can you imagine that picture? That would be great. We've definitely got What what you mean mean us two bd guys sandwiched between the lushy haired heroes I no wish to be photographed with those guys. Oh my God. what' excited It would be amazing though. It would be a great photo. We've got to get them in We have got to. I mean. I'm speaking That's the dream. I I think you would explode. Like in one of the TV shows you're reviewing today, I think you would explode. ninety nine percent of my time is is spent thinking about. Belmont at the moment. this is a. What's your husband thinking about this? Oh, don't even get me started on him, right? I'm just going to digress into his little domestic story and then we will talk about it, but right, it's worth telling Okay, so I had one of these conversations with my husband about the fact that he doesn't do anything to help me around the house, right? And I was like, listen, I right we We've really got to talk about old ch. Yeah, that old chestnut Whing, cleaning, ferrying our childood likeike come on man. L do like' like it's really starting to like get me down. What can we do, right? Yesterday, So he says nothing. Yesterday, I opened the door. There's a delivery It's a robot vacuum. Brilliant. No words, just a ro and to him, that's a st. kicked off the list. Thatt done. I mean as an owner of a robot vacuum, I think he's right. Of course you have a rob.. Well, I absolutely thought you two would never have this proble because you obviously have cleaners becausecause you're so. No no, I just have a robot vacuum Oh my God. So last night, last night it was mapping the house. I can't believe She just goes rightat. So basically I'm living in sci fi. I'm living in a sci fi.ice event. It's amazing. Anyway, I digress. Anyway to TV check notes, as James would say, the podcast about TV. Jesus Christ.. I don't even know where to begin with this. What have we been watching? I'm going to start with Poyd. Okay. did anyone see on last Friday on BBC One the Madonna and Graham interview. No, I've seen clips though because Kylie's the bartender and that isitl Kylie pops up in it there's a surprise And literally is a bartender and she gives Madonna a drink and Madononna doesn't like it. She's like, o, no, no, take that way. takeake that way, bring me another drink. So then Graham gives her another finds another drink for her. But it's one of the funniest moments in the whole thing because she kind of' a little glimpse of the real. Madonna scared. know, that's disgusting. takeake her away from me thought that was really funny. But the extraordinary thing about this interview this program was that it went on for, I think forty five minutes, maybe even an hour. and it's one of the most boring interviews I' ever seen. Oh my God no. I've many lines about it actually. There are no lines. Okay fine. When do you say lines? you been haven't any headlines about it anywhere? If your headline wants to be something like why Madonna has made dance music for the last thirty years Why why whyy are you so into dance music? She kind of ased, because I like dancing so much. It's like that is she is It's more her ffulult than him.ry her or is it Chris Gay Gayam' trying his best, but he is nervous. I mean, you would be. He's into it before quite a few times. Okay. or couple of times, I think, at least Um But she is not one of nature's great conversationalists, is all I would say. Oh God. She's kind of like she's quiet She's crazy. one word answer person for a lot of the time. Sheee will go it must have been amazing when we was doing this Yeahah, it was amazing G give him something It's like David Chase, isnt it? This is It' like I was I could not believe how little of interest emerged from this whole thing It' kind of makes a fascinating viewing in a way to show how you can have the most famous's a huge exclusive, by the way. I think this is her first interview, cly first on camera for years and years and years. She does not, she never does intu. And this part I was thinking when people don't do you think because they're so famous they need to, you know, why should she make did she do this? I maintained her mystique. I guess she thought, I'll something to promote my album. Her album's out this week. Okay, right know Um then you think, that's the real she doesn't doinguring any interviews because she's not that. She's not one of' cool conversations. So yeah, it was quite quite bizarre the whole thing. Beause her video for that song that she released was amazing. with people Yeah, you know, and she kind of touches on that briefly B even then it's like not that interesting an answer and stuff. So yeah, no she's got great people in that video the video She's bit tired I don't know if she's tred. I think she's just I think she not as an artist, just generally just like feeling Yeah. I think she's a bit like over it and a bit like, o go. I don't know. I think maybe she's always been a bit like this where she she's hard she's not ye know, she's not anecdotalist. That's another way of putting it, you know, in you know, the whole Graam Norton show of course, is and by the way, this is nothing like the is they're not just sitting there having a chat It's like's got quite a contrived format whereby you see him on his way to to meet her.ording at Coco in Camden near out our old office and there's whole thing about the venue. There's a lot of mucking about. There's a lot of stuff happening. before they actually get down to a chat. And even then when they get down to a chat, they're standing there on stage chatting away and it's all it's just a bit awkward. All the way through, it's a bit awkward As I say, as in Graham Norton's show, if she'd bid on that as a guest, which I think she has done before, then it's probably be better because everyone's you know, the whole point of that show is you're all telling your best anecdotes.. That's literally how it works in the pre interviewed chat with the researchers, they get they extract these anecdotes from the guests and he keeps them That's what happened. In this it's like there are no anecdotes You know. It's just like overall themes do you think it'st has never she's not met anyone more famous than her and she kind of does. So it's just being like But you know what mean? It's like if you're Madonna, who are you gonna fang gol over? Like who? I mean if she She's really nice Kylie. The Kylie scene is like is the highlight because she's really she's lovely with her and you know part from having like Yeah That's a nice moment. But even then she said that's weird as well because she goes does Graham goes, does this mean you know, you you've recorded a single a song together for the album. She goes I'm not telling you Why' you she saying whyy'd you keep you asking me questions or something that in your life? It's trying to be funny. But even then this is a fucking inter. I can't say it sounds too cringe. It is quite cringy. It really is quite cringy. Yeah. But anyway, I watch that so you don't have to. Okay. Appreciate. I can reveal exclusively th finished paradise. Wow. Yeah fininally. Okay, over to you for Widow's Bay. Oh You know what? I do need to get on the Widow's Tray wagon, notot least of all, because it is now as we record the first of July, which means we need to do our half year review. And so there are two approach to this. either we present four distinct and separate lists O O we try and have a combined pilot list Or and I've just had an idea Right. Okaykay, this' is what we're gonna to do. We're gonna have blind lists. I've just decided, just we're gonna have blind thiss. You're gonna do one, you're gonna do one, K is gonna do one, I'm gonna do one And none of you gonna know what the other people have voted for. Except everyone' will say off campus. And then I'm going to tally them together using just mathematics And I'm going to create a master list What would the other way of ting them together be if you didn't use just m? Shut up, Steph. No it's gonna be because you're not gonna to know. You're not gonna to know what it is ahead of time. That's how we're gonna do it. feel be there could be no conferring. But you could fix this. I could, but I won't because I'm pathologically honest. And you'll also know because I'll undoubtedly be furious about the list afterwards. But yeah, that's what we're going to do. Do You and Kayle get together beforehand and just try and, you know. Okay there's going to be two rules. Yeah. One rule, no conferring.. Second rule and this is the most important rule and it applies primarily to you No tactical voting. whichich means if you put something at number two, it has to be the one that you genuinely think would be at number two. notot because you think no one else vote for and I want it to be harder the list. It could be tactical voting. It has to represent because're have to other ways implying that I usually That's exactly what I' implying. just And we will go through this I think you tactically vote.. I will not be tactically voting I will not be I will I will put I will I down call it as I say it. I think we can tell you now that silo's not going to be on it. I think you' find it might. I actually really like Silo as well. There we go. It might be on the l. Silo's not an issue. There are other issues No there are other issues. Yeah. Okay. let's see. But yeah I feel like before we do the list, I should watch at least a couple more widows based. get Um is you've watched the whole thing yet? No, I've got one left because remember I went' look the former champion here I st one. I think the penultimate one, which is I would call describe and we're spoiling it. Halloween If you're talking about the different genres, explores various horror genres and there's one epode I think it's the which is Halloween is phenomenal. And I think if you watch that one, I watched that one, I thought, oh, this is the one James has got to watch because it's so well done. I think even by the second episode where the clown thing, this is not too much of a spoiler with when he's in the cool's place I think from that point you're like, o Godd, this is horror. andstand. Do you know what I mean? Tue yeah, yeah ye if I do that. Yeah. ye ye. I haven't finished one watching it. I' keep going though. Thanks, man. Oh yeah So paradise. So we can do a spports S fish paradise at some point. We've got so many sportish fcials to do now, which's you expect because Widowsbur. We're doing Widowsby. But I have issues with it as well. So when you mean discuss it There's a lot to discuss with our, show. You know you haven't finished watching The pits Yeah, has finished as this podcast goes out. I'll cut HBO Max disaster. Now I've got a pny I feel like this is a relatively easy thing to fix. I don't think it could have fixed it. have fix? I couldn't fix it and then now the thing has gone by where my I'm just going have to pay for it now. It's fine. I will pay for it. I don't care. it's fine Yeahah. The statute of limitations, if you like of when you can sign on for free withith HBO Max has g us gone. The crossover stying. I too late. Hang on no, no, no, no Part of the Sky package So you can definitely get it. No Oh no, no, of course no but but to get the premium version Oh I wonder Are you telling me you don't watch the four K? So just to be clear, your issue is not that you can't get SBO backaxs, it's that you cannot get it in four K. No, no, no, no, no I could have got it in for I could have got it. the premium version of AVo Max was offered to me kindly for Ao Max. Yes. and that has and I tried to do it and I couldn't get it to work and now it's gone. right. Now I have to pay for it. And of course I'm not going to pay for the version where you don't get for. But that's free. L you have that by default because you have Gy. I know that, but one I'm saying is yeah, I have to pay for the f K version obviously, likeike you would obviously. Yeah. But I'm just saying if you needed to watch the finale of the pit, you could just watch it AGP and it wouldn't kill you. right o I'm going to break this up No, it's not.'s your entitlement, I think is a fundamentally Nooy Castle boy. If you listen to Pilap Plash, you'll know that James has recently been to a party in a castle. We we get ont too that because it's relevant to the listen the question. Anyway, I'm with you, Boy. So what el is that all you've been watching lovefant. keep going Slow horses. any of those of us have got it. How many of you been watch? Yeah This is the thing that obviously listeners hate, but we somet mind. No that's true. some of them don't mind it. That is true. It seems I think more of them don't mind it than do mind it. Yeah. Well we got a very exciting email last week from Apple basically saying that all six episodes and a new series of Slow horses has dropped on the screen site But for people they are st, you're my PA. Yeah, I' just I'm just to remind everyone, I'm with you guys because I don't have it because these two, you know, hoy toy pair I've got it.' got it. It' special. But yes, I did watch them all on the weekend and it wasew you were go to watch the all. I've limited I watched the first one. I haven't. How did you even do becausecause there's World Cup games A It was it was it was a truly magnificent six hours that was I'm going to have to Yeah anyway. All right. It's a play, but I'm going to mention it. I went to see a play last night. Russell Russell Tove, not Russell David. Get your Russell was mixed up Russe was mixed up because apparently I always say Russell T. David as supportording to. It was also on pl. Well this is Russell T. Ovey This is Rosseer Tovi, exactly. He is in a one man show Don Mar Warehouse Wow called The Guilty, which was also a twenty twenty one film string Jake Chenhall, Do you remember this? the whole thing is him on he's a policeman on dealing with emergency. Yes C center call Center. Do you love a call center? I love a call center. You know I love the call center and this is set whole place set in the C center where Russell Tovy is dealing with a horrendous call Which seems to me seems to be like a case of domestic abuse, etcetera. That's fantastic. I think he' fantastic I think possibly the greatest thing's ever done. Obviously I am very friendly with him and everything. But I'm not friend with him at all, and I still think he's fantastic. They're so brilliant. so that I strongly recommend the guilty of Don Mar. And finally, let me ask you this question. Oh is it going to be when you do who wants a reallyionire question because I love it when you do? No, notot really, but it's more of a happened what show arrived twenty five years ago this Thursday twentywenty five years ago. so that we watch two thousand one. Yeah Thursday, the ninth of july, two thousand one. . Give us a genre. It's too outy comedy. A comedy twenty five years ago Is it wasas it the office? It's the office. The office was the officeed much older than the house Lasts nineties. Yeahah Yeah twenty five years ago I ritually knowing this. and there's a Mackenzie Crookgan Morgan, Martin Freeman. M F f. Morgan Freeman. I'd love to talk about the off. Yeah. The two of them have come together for a special show on BBC two on the night on the Wednesday, the eighth of July this week talking about their time. And this is the first time they've seen each other for years. They' just not Yeah, they've just busy. had separate, you know, paths, I guess. So they just have not chatted or spoken or not for any you know, reasons of enpity or anything. Yeah. So it's quite incredible. So those two come together for this special on Wedesone Be. and then but I literally, I thought I' I'm just gonna watch treat yourself. Treat myself And it's just fucking incredibly good. It's so good. It's unreal. But yeah, so I think we should all watch the whole maybe at least of the first of the office. Do you like the American Office? I do like the Aicice.. I do too. I find that very comforting in the American offffice because' Right It's less cringy in an American voice. It is, yeah. Oh I know. I'm not used to you agreeing with. No, I'm familiar it. it's totally different. And and also it evolves, doesn't it? When it kind of moves beyond the shackles of replicating in the UK story, it becomes its own It's fantastic ye ye. And lots of people do use it as a comfort show. I twenty five years I' still never watched the office. Wow. I have seen several episodes because did we did a comparison on this podcast. We did the first episode of the US and the UK and talked about the distinctions between them. But as you know, I can't deal with the comedy. You have to watch the office. You have That is absolutely incredible. I mean you've never watched the office. No, I think I'm trying to think. I think I've seen maybe three episodes of the UK offffice probably about the same of the US. office. and that's's astonishing. Yeah. Do have any words that? There are no words. No. Okaykay. That's just anyway. Yeahah, that is what I've been washing Okay, wow. Sth. Okay, sorry, I'll just really. I these are the shops you have to every now and then the show comes up, they just has'. It's just. I mean it's so much worse than Broadchurch. It's weird, isn't it? Yeah. Okay. Right. so I have to admit that I thought we were doing a show that we're going be doing next week Can I say which the show is? I'll say the show is, oK. The littleittle house on the prairie. I thought we were doing that, right So I spent a lot of my time evenven though I made it clear that there was embogger. Okay, right. as I said, the word embarger gets banded around all the time but I never really in this show. you had to go me for not reading up the in the WhatsApp Group messageses This is a cl of you not reading up in the walk ten. So I'm asked very early by the way, in the week to tell you what is in isn an embargo and then just ignore it when I actually find out. It's quet anyway. Anyway, so I watched I've watched every single episode of the Piry. Wow shocker. I mean I've watched the first episode, or watched every sing episode of that. So that was duty or desire that you needed to watch all of them I can't because we're going to do it next week and I feel like I can't re any of that.t. You know what happens when I've watched all episodes or something. But the other thing I've watched I'm so excited about, which you two will absolutely not care about at all is the third season of America's Seethearts Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders Right? Now I know what is, No, no, no, no, no, no, is. Because these women are athletes and it's so amazing. And what's brilliant about this show, okay, is from season one, season two, season three, you're seeing the evolution of these female athletes and they're taking back power in last season. It's a docentary series. It's a documentary series And they have just become this absolute global sensation. so much so that when this season opens, they've now got a stage show. And these women are becoming know massive influencers in their own right and not in like a tacky shit way. like you know they're doing good. Last season was all about them fighting for know a pay rise and they get like a four hundred percent payise It's just a great story. It's not a kind of run of the mill reality documentary. These women they' are athletes, they're incredible dancers. It so it's just in terms of looking at the Dallas Cowboys as a business model and how they make their money, it's fascinating. And obviously the guys business model. It's really good. It's really enjoyable And it's kind of the Dallas Cowbys cheheers are run by these two amazing women who who were themselves Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders. And it it isn't I know reality is not your bad, but it's definitely worth a watch. It is if you like just for the fact that these women are just they're so inspiring. They all have like they're lawyers, they you know, they've all got proper jobs as well as being theseallas Cowboys cheerleaders This is not a reality show per se, so what I've been watching now is brilliant. I'm very happy it's back. very happy. and it allows on the per It allows for the very all episodes. Yes. Jkes You'll be shocked to hear I've not been watching that I am shocked. You are shocked. What have I been watching? I mean, mainly slow horses, if I'm honest with you, which I can't really talk about. Obviously the Bear finale though I did we talk about that last week? I don't think we did, but we did on Pilot Plus do an entire spoiler deep dive into the final season of the Bear and the Bear finale. So that's what we reviewed on Pilot Plus last week. So yes, that was something that I watched and I very much enjoyed it. I thought it was great The other thing I've been pressing on was Spider Noir. I got to the nightmare on a Gurney episode and it is a good episode. Okay I think I've got One and a half episodes left to watch Spider Noire. I've given up on Spider Noire. I still I'm still not feeling Alex's five star show there. No it's good Also, that's Alex Goty from Emper. Yeah. And he's great. It's possible I'll never think about the show again once I finish watching again Yeah, I like things to have a bit of a lasting effect and I want this to be good. I wanted this to be Better than if it was. fine. It's fine. Yeah, it's fine And the other thing I've doing, I have been immersing myself in the world of the Witcher W. But crucially not a rewatch of the Witcher. Instead, I have been replaying the game The Witcher three on my playaystation, which is set after the story of the books and in fact the TV series have finished. But Pay stationations up to now I mean, largely letting me play the Witcher three. But they what are they like Playsttation four, five, five. Oh I see yes it's five. Yeah. N in general. What ex what they doing? Yeah. Well, you know, they hanging out playing games largely. I mean on your PS five I've been playing the Witcher three. Is that a tappy Tappy game? Is it a joystick that? Tappy Tappy game? No, you know the ones where you It's not some kind of dance simulator, no. although frankly, if they haven't made one of those yet, I strongly recommend a Witcher dance game. You know what I mean, or is it like is it you one of those ones Yeah I'm sorry, please explain. told. You're gesticulating at a strange world. No the game. A controller.ontroller g controller game. You do need to control the character yes. Okay fine. Telepathy having not yet been invented. What do you well? you don't know. What do you do in this game? It is a sprawling open world fantasy RPG. Well, that sounds nice. No it is. Yeah, it is. Yeahes. No, no headset. There's no one to talk to. Single play Oh I'd love see you on a headset. No, I don't definitely have a headset. No, I don't I do not No, I genuinely don't. I don't you know I don't like to speak to other people if I can avoid it. So I definitely don't want to hear when I'm playing online games that most of the people I'm playing games with are like Childrenes. I don't want to know that. I like to assume that they are all my age and that's it. so ye. All right. Yeah. But yeah, I've been playing the Wishches me, which I have obviously played before since it's like an eleven year old game. But When you sit down to start to play on your games console Yes, how long do you go withith my clicky tappy tappy tay Tappy. How long do you go for? That would very muchnd. I pled a good number of hours into it over the weekend. I will say that. In one sitting There was definitely at least one six hour sitting, Yes. Six hours I could have watched Widows Bay. I could have done. And the thing was I didn't even intend to do it. I just booted it up for whatever reason and then got sucked back into the world of the continent. Okay, you need to make sure that you are using eyeedrops because that is a lot of screen time. it was quiet. Continuous for six hours, you have any breaks blinked a few times. doeses that? I mean, okay All right, we' glad you're here. Well Thank.'s. Thank you. enjoyed.ah that's I've been happ watchatching slash playing this week. Nice. Should we have a listener question? Let's do it. Okay This week's listener question comes from Mark And Mark says, Greetings, pilot people, as I wait excitedly to board a plane from here in San Jose, California to Utah, a mere two and a half hours away. To live all things yellowstone in the park and on a ranch, I wondered what location would you like to visit to indulge in that show's Uuvre I mean, this is you two question because I mean I mean, both of us would like to go to Waying. wouldn't be. I wouldd absolutely love to do that Y wouldn't that be amazing? People keep sending me things of like how we can get to Yeah. We get like a pilot holiday on the Dutton Rance. Somebody sent me something the other day, which is how you can have a Yellowstone holiday in the UK. Yes, someone sent me that. They send you that as well. Yeah, that was good. I was tempted by that It looks really good, doesn't it? God, this connection we've got over it Is the actual Yellowstone National Park where Yellllowstone is at There is a Yellowstone. Yeah' there's a part of it. So if you watch Yellowstone, there's a part that's designated to the park, isn't there in the show? I've been to the park I've been to Yellowstone. Oh, Oh, have you?. Okay, well then why are't you watching the show with us? Yeah, boy. Yeah. It's too l. It's left it too low. reallying's because the frontier is now largely gone Yeah. I'm sorry, I think I'm banned from saying this, but I'm going to say it anyway Cabbot Cove Caveot Cove Maine is where I'd go as well Mur does she wrot? Of course What' tal me like I mean, what's a cap of? Yeah Where whereere is that him Cabbot Cove. I think the real one is not in them. I'm gonna to have to number crunch. It's gonna be like in Halifax or something, isn't it? No. Cabot Cove Re I'm sure ha it of real is M uh Oh Mendino, I hope I'm saying that right. that ssound right. Mendacino in California. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah yeah. Okay. Well, I'd go there. California being routinely mistaken for Maine Yeah. Okay, yeah, that's where I'd go. Ohh, hang on, look's a code. Oh Perkins Cove? Yeahah, I'd go there. I. An Cove and I'm there. Any Cve. Isn't this just about Yellowstone Location? I don't think so. No. you' saying like where would you go? is there a place So for example, were I to want to lord over people in a kind of upstairs downstairs situation, I would go to Hampshire and hang out in Highglear Castle because obviously that is Dowown Abbey. Oh I see ye. Which is somewhere I have always wanted to visit and have yet to do so. so No I do need to Highglear Castle. I have visited Highleare Castle course you have I did I think it might have been the maybe second or third season of Downtown Abbey. Richard I used to do the Richard Bacon show every week on five liive and I was the TV reviewer for like six, seven years. And one week we did the whole show live from High Clay Castle I was doing that as they were filming Downtown. It it was absolutely brilliant I have to say, because so you wandered did, we did literally recorded half of it inside the massive room of the castle and then we then we'd retreat to a kind of the general you hanging out area, if you like. And then Hugh Bonneville would come over and have a chat and then you know it was fantastic. It was a brilliant, brilliant day at Heightler Castle. What went wrong that you're slumming it now with us? We work place to me with someone else. Scotty Brian I' not resentful at all But yeah, no it was really exciting. Okay. so but would that be your where would be your location to actually visit if you could from any TV show U I kind of haven't really thought through about because I thought this was do This is Yellowstone Sim the question misunderstood it and moved on. But you you must have more. you must have a whole list of them. sure. Well, I mean, obviously I spent the weekend reliving my world All fantasies because yes, I stayed at Hever Castle on the weekend, which is where I travel another. Yes, Former home, Van Boyn. Yeah and know H your b your friends boog Beause my friend Yeah my friend had a bougie birthday there and had hired out Eva Castle. so I got to hang out there after hours. You got private tour. It was great. Did you Did you have an audio tour, which is my favourite type of tour? No we had a guide Oh my gosh,'re so busy. Yeah Be it was like a priv tour. It' be big a shit private tour if they just packed us off with like a warman So they go. Just so I could do it on my own and just, you know. I've thought of an answer is I wouldd go to the Hamptons. Oh Yeah Well Let me just tell you, right Why would you go to the Hamptons for what show? Well,'m hals first of all, I need to cheat because I'm not suppos to mentioned to Sciinford, but there's a hilarious episode of Sinford where they go to the Hamptons. And George and his late His ex partner who dies, right? Her parents who are furious with him and blame him for her death insist on taking he lies to them saying he's got a place in the Hamptons and he hasn't got a place in Hamptonss at all. and they go on this journey to this place that he hasn't got. And it's like how far they go lying to them. They're like, Okay, George and they know he's lying. It's just hilarious. It's such a But it is all about him having a fake place, not having a place in the Hamptons at all.. But there are loads of those I can't believe you haven't been to the Hamptons. Yeah, I can't believe it either. I've been to a kind of similar place. I've been to Nantucky. and in fact, we'll be covering Nantucky. There's a show called the The fiveive star Wekend coming up with Jennifer Gy. It's set in Nantucka. Do you remember the perfect wife was it called? Yeah pererfect couple?fect couple That was from the same author and that was also set in Nantucket in a very similar kind of huge big house. So Nantucky is another one, but I have been there. Okay. So didn't includose that. but there must be loads of show. One of my best trips ever so my best friend Livves in America Nicole. She and I went to Montauk where the affair was filmed and we went to the restaurant was in' incredible. and we had like the crrayfit. o my Godd, it was just and they were they were filming the affair whilst we were there and it was so exciting because I love, love, love that show. Did you like the affair I don't believe I've seen the affair. I think I might have watched the first one, but I don't think I've seen it No. So they're just showing it now on there on ITVX. they yeah, it's an incredible show James. Please Please watch the affair. Dominic Westter at its finest It's amazing. It's absolutely ulous Do you think you'd like it Yeah, I think so. Yeah, definitely.. You should watch that. It's on the sof list. Isn't that's helpful at all? Yeah. Okay, can you please do that? Yeah. So Montal has made Yeah the effect. alsoso that show revenge was set in the house. Oh That's a Emmily Van Camp. Yes. Yes. That show is I see that one I'm say Yeah, that show the menu right Yeah in the best way. I mean, it's not good But it's's strangely compelling. It's totally good. Is it? Yeah. Is it though? Yeah you and I are not vibing today. We've really got to get it back together for our Dut branch episode. And there was that show Sirens on Netflix that was in the Houss as well. Beause a lot of these kind of ' there's the whole gen. I mean we'll be as I say, hopefully review the fubs that weekend coming up But that is the latest in this whole genre of rich privileged women. gathering in huge big lush know property porwn places like this. Let me tell you, I went to Sag Harbour, which is in the Hamptons and in like you could smell the wealth. L I've never everybody had like their yachts. It was just it was like it was like being on a film set where everyone was massively rich, but it was actually these people's lives And there was a reality show, wasn't there about property in the Hamptons difficult is to buy anywhere you can't insure it because you can't get insurance. so you have to be that rich that you don't mind house it's very flat. You can't get insurance. You can't get house insurance on property in the Hamptons because it's so close to seawater Right And it's very flat there. So any damage that happens to it, no, won't get insurred. You just can't get insurredance. You have to be rich enough to be able to wride It's on a flood plane is what you're saying. just can't you can't do it' dense insurance but not building insurance.ike you're asking me like you're thin about buying a. I' really concerned. I've already upset the saleswonean has gone through. I don't know what to do Like you say I p't get insurance. Oh my go No, I'm not buying a house in Hampton. No, so well you can't and yeah, you can't get insurance so there go. Okay He could if you have the money, but yeah. He doesn't have the money. No, noor I think that's fair. Boy he could buy I think that's, you know, accurate. No one here is on Hampton's money, okay? No one. Oh Godd, How do we even get? I don't because we're locations That's right. this is the question. So you've got Hamptons's. I've got Cabatoes? Yes I can't even remember I was honly a. like Northern Ireland has all the Game of Thrones locations where not all of you. have been to them. Some of those sure. No, no, no. I was invited on set of Game of Thrones, but it was when they weren't shooting. So it was like you basically come on. No. So basically come to a set visit, but we're not shooting at the moment. So it was like, comeome on and see nothing I was like but apparently it was like to basically tour the sets and things like that. And so I probably should have gone C Maria, I would' have got sit on the iron throne that would have been fun. But't I didn't actually do it because I ftt I felt that would make for a challenging feuture. Here we are on the set There's no one about to you could have the local shopkeeper. you know, it could have been anything. Yeah. it would very weird set v I'm wandering around on M Tod, No one to talk to. It's so funny. When I was at Highclare Castle, here's the thing. we had a tour from the owner. A private tour? A private tour from the owner. Lord Brantham, I'll find the actual real life. Oh ye, yeah, yeahah. Okay. the actual real life And he said, in all serious, it's so massive He's talking about there's literally hundreds of rooms in it And he pointed to the top of it and there's like loads and loads of floors, etcetera. He pointed it up and he said, seeee that room then. we were like, you know, in between Bah blahah. And we go, yes, he said I've never been in that room He's like, I've owned this space for, you know, however long, ten dozens and dozens of years, it's been in the family for hundreds of years. And I've just never been in that room. Why haven't you ever been? He said, It's just one of these things works.'s just haven't made it there it's likeill now. So is that the only room he's not been in? Yeah. So he must now deliberately avoid that room. Kind of, yeah. so that he can say that. Yeah, basically Red to be the coach Yeah. I was That's a great f. Having a house a house that big that you noob in some of the room. Exactly Well None of you have mentioned the White Lotus, although of course I have playayed at the White Lotus. so of course you have Thai one. The ta that' I was about to say, Well I think to Thailand. You've stayed at the hotel, haven't you? No, no we haven't which one is? I think you have. You have stayed at thear Yeah but it's the ye, but it's the onees so they shoot across two too. They shot shooting the Kosamui one and there's also the Pouquette one. you stay that Well exactly you stayed at both of the ye. I haven' watched white latest, remember What you you I'm being a Jam. That's worse than him than the. That is not worse.. I think think's worse. It's not. having not watched a recent show is worse than him not having watched an absolute comedy classic. I think it's up there. I think it's on a path. Yeah. I do. We're breaking up you and I. you should be saying you ha't watched succession. you know, where do weere does this end? Westwing Oh my god That's the whole thing. We need to move on from there. I'm going honorble mentions. I'm going to say the Y Valley in Wales for sex education because O just lives in Simmonss Yat. which is a place. And also while we're talking Valley, Hy Valley. any have you ever either of you been to Cold the Valley West? Noope, I love Wales.on Bridge Balifax. Yeah no. no, no. C we need to go. We need to venture up north I think so more Yeah All right, B Slu for the office That's true. I think we're about to Slow house. which it iss by the barbcan, isn't it? Well actually we probably heard that. Yes. Yeah. Okay good, I'm gl we had this chat. That was the listener to question. If you want your question answered on this podcast, then the email address is post backag at pilottvpod d. comot Should have this week's guest Oh please. I think we should. Okay. It is, in fact time for Apple's comedy Gem trying to return for its fifth season this week. And to celebrate the fact, Esther Smith came on this very podcast to have a chat with Jordan King about the latest season and everything that it means for Nikki and Jason. So this is Esther Smith, talking to Jordan. So it is my absolute pleasure to welcome back to the Pilot TV podcast star and executive producer of Apple TV's Trying, Eesher Smith. how are you today I'm really good, thank you, Jeordan. how are you? I'm good, I'm good. Congratulations on another just lovely warm hug of a season of this show. It is the go to comomfort watch in my household. How How does it feel to be back now with a fifth season? It's almost unprecedented in the modern sort of TV landscape, a fifth season and back as an EP this time too Yeah know, I mean, it's incredible really. and I'm so chuffed that we get to keep telling the story and Initially I kind of assumed that we would be here for like three seasons because that seems to be like a trend. and And then yeah, to be gifted a fourth and a fifth is amazing. And I just think there's I think there's scope for more just Because you know It's just nice to look into this Quite ordinary family. orrdinary people, sorry, in this family and seeing where they're at and where their lives are taking them, because they're just fun people to spend time with, I think Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, this time around as well, you're coming back into this, you know, you're an executive producer now on the show, which is one major life event. You're also coming back to this show now as a mother yourself, which congratulations for that as well. But how do you feel like in any way, shape or form trying has kind of being a part of a show like this with such a big heart is did that help prepare you for what it would be like to be a mom? as much as anything can ever prepare you for that particular madness. Yeah, I mean, that's exactly what it is. It is absolute madness. I don't think anything can prepare you. I think what has been nice is that I feel like I've been around question of what it means to be a parent and So I've had that luxury of playing a parent and then like dealing with certain subject matters that being a parent throws up. so in a way, Andy who's the writer has given me a bit of a blueprint from his scripts in a way but Yeah, I'm not sure anything truly prepares you for the tiredness and this sleep deprivation. As a father of two daughters under five, I can heavily relate to that particular struggle. Oh my gosh, so you know. I know, I know. But do you feel like do you feel like the way that you look at Nki's changed at all though now on the other side of all of this? Because obviously you're sort of, you know, as actors do, you were imagining something that you haven't yet experienced for yourself But now you're going on to set and you're bringing with you almost necessarily, you're bringing A big part of your own life would and your tal is yeah. It's a very realistic depiction of being absolutely nakkeed But yeah, do you feel like Nicki's changed a little bit now when we come back for season five Yeah, I do, I do and I think I think it's more in that because she's the parent of essentially two teenagers now I think This With the kind of the parent storyline aside, she's in a way being given the opportunity to reconnect with who she is and what she's about. so she starts this new job as a manager or in this veryer Very trendy travel agency them and is meeting people on the terms of not as a parent as as Nicki. So that's kind of a nice opportunity for her just to yeah Be Nicky, not Mum, Nicki. So that so I think That has changed. Yeah, she's changed in that essence and also I just think the're constantly accruing information feels like daily, like being a parent, so inevitably you're kind of constantly evolving and growing. So I feel like she's in itself is her toolbox is It's u a bit more packed now. Definitely a very different Nicki to and Maybe naive Nicki from series one. Yeah, definitelylyaive. bely naive. But it it's really interesting that you mentioned that sort of reconnection element. I mean, I definitely have feel that as a parent now trying to sort of remember who am I amidst all of this craziness. But I think it is interesting too, because trying, like you say, it could have been a three seasons and done kind of thing. they could adopt Princess and Tyler and that would be a lovely end to the story for every season ends in a way that would satisfyingly be an end if it was But it is interesting that now that you've gone beyond that, all of the characters of the show have become these so rich and lived in people. I mean, I've just been rewatching the first series and Scott when he's first introduced is sort of the worst man in the world in many ways. And now I find myself in season five literally crying situations that he's in But it is interesting the sort of the maturation of the series. and I think it's a testament to Andy Walton's writingings. he obviously does this all by himself, but also a testament to you guys as a cast. Something that I did think was really interesting though that I don't feel like I've seen very much of on screen or at least I can't think of is the approach that you guys take to blended families in season five and the idea of know what is it like if you've built a family and then a biological parent comes back into the fray? And I just wondered like what kind of conversations were you guys having with Andy with Charlotte Reileilly, who's brilliant as Kat about how you were going to handle that kind of, you know, it's very sensitive subject matter and I feel like you deal with it very sensitively. Yeah, Ill thank you for saying that. Yeah. I think it's really important that that that it is a portrayal which is which is extremely looked after and thought about and In truth, to be honest, it just all comes from Andy's writing. and his brain and his words. I feel like Al also you know, having brilliant Charlotte Reiley. in it kind of and her sensitivity and into this story and the beautiful connection that she has that Cat has with Princess. I think it's Yeah,'s I think it's all from Andy. All of that work And I think just a collective want to tell the story truthfully with heart and with humor and being aware of what this what this actually story might mean to certain people and also showing showing people who it doesn't necessarily directly affect what that might look like and So I feel like there wasn't a lot of conversation around it. I feel like it was just all an organic thing that we came to collectively because of Andy's script Yeah And think I think I suppose as well that there's an element of everything in trying right from the very beginning, it always you can feel that it's all approached without judgment. And it's a show that's very much built with optimism baked into its DNA. It struck me just while I was in the waiting room for this that This is sort of the original Apple TV therapeutic comedy. L you guys were here right at the start You're five seasons in now, but there is no shrinking and there is no Ted Lasso or any of those without what you guys sort of built the foundations for here. Do you think that's part of why we are still so invested in Niicki and Jason all these years later? I wonder, and it's also it's so easy. I'm glad you mentioned that because it's so easy to forget that actually because the platform has grown so much and It's funny because I we went to the we were lucky enough to be invited to the the big What's it called? Like the presentation day thing. Yeah, in Palo Alto where the actual Yeah playground It it's like a playground And withith all these incredible stars, like hot like the cream of the crop of Hollywoods and then And me and that just like walking around eating apple pie because they served as these amazing apple Mce pie things And yet it was very much in its infancy and that felt really special And I think because we had that and because we were one of their first quite early on, I think it I think just like within it, there's just like that special feeling of not I think not taking it for granted and also not taking the story for granted It still means so much, even being five seasons on and I personally never take for granted what this story means and what it means to people and It always hits me, even talking about it impressive. I find it quite emotional talking about it. And I think that is a gorgeous mixture of what the story is the people collectively who are involved The audience's response to it, that like the fandom that it's generated, even if it's something that has been quietly there on the platform It's kind of Yeah, it's amazing that it's just kind of quietly there and people are getting to it and coming to it and can now binge five seasons of it. Yeah, is it's the heartbeat of the platform. For me. It feels like it's set the standard for everything that's followed. So yeah congratulations on a really lovely season five and here is hoping that season six will be on its way because I would keep watching these For many, many years to come So ye thank you so much for your time, Easter. It's lovevly to speaking to you Me too, byye That was Esther Smith Let's talk news What have we got Steff? Where There's been a real reverse ferret of news. Has that? Yeah, because Tom Hardy Oh yes,'s back. He's back in Mobland. I always said this was the differences withith the producers. That's what it says. Could we just say he's back in Mobland, a show that crucially has not been officially renewed The headline that I've got is Tom Hardy makes moobland return after settling spat with producers. what do you know about this boy? I feelel like you know something. Well there was this whole no, there was this whole there was a lot of differing accounts of whether or not he was actually suspended from the show or sacked from the show or not eith neither of those things and then there was this whole saga about You know, it something to do with Helen Mirin and Yeah it was all bit political Yeah ye And then I think she completely deny thather she had any problem with him at all. She put out an Instagram post, I think, saying that she loves him and she always has. Exactly. So I always I was I never quite thought, oh They've got rid of him So, you know, I think I think it's good to confirm the fact that hes it because he's obviously the best thing about it. It just says it appears to be a result. I really want to know what it was Why they? I would like to know. Yeah Maybe we'll. Maybe we'll never know. Maybe we willll never know. mayaybe we'll know and we can never say who know perhaps We've had lots of other things happening this week. It's been quite a busy one. It's been a good week for Reacherheads I w. Be not only do we have a reacher date, the new season of Reacher is going be landing on season four on Wednesday, august twelfth on Prime, but we have a new date, a new date, a date, september sixteenth for Nagly, the spinoff series. And yes, I know they pronounce it neeeely in the show, but that really annoys me because it has a G in it the G is not silent, so I'm going to call it Nagly. But yes, that is the character of Neaglely. And she's getting our own spinoff and that lands in September. it's a say double reacher ye. when you say the G is not silent Yeah When they themselves actually have it as silence. Yeah. I I disagree. Why do you disagree? Because that's not how I read it and it upsets me Okay Nglyo. Notely. That tells you everything it doeswere it really does. sayay you're James without saying you're a James. I reject the silent James. Okay I'm going to show you both a photograph of this person. I'm gonna ask you if you know who it is. Okay. I'm loving this quiz element today. Yes that's Taylor Shd.hod. Okay Tayl Sh. Do you think Taylor Shodden looks exactly as you'd want Taylor Shoden to look He's got a kind of like he's looking angry in this photo, which is basically him doing a podcast, by the way. And this is a story that has just emerged this morning from him doing this podcast in. And it's got a classic variety you knowow my classic variety headlines.. So he is the classic variety headline of the week. Oh. Oh good. Yeah. What's the headline? Taylor Sheridan Rip studio execs for knowing nothing and slams his TV critics Colon, I do ragebait them fuckem honestly. Is this about sons of Anarchy? This is about all of his shows. And basically he talks about how he did it all himself. He refuses to take notes from executives. He doesn't respect any of the executives who can finance his shows. He just plows his own furrow, does what the fuck he wants, and leave him alone and he will provide you with as he has done, clearly dozens and dozens of mega TV hits, including the ones that you two are obsessed with as we speak.'s a genius, let's use the word he is. We're going to use that word. Yeah. He looks is there is no better name for him than Taylor Sheridan, which sounds like a weird thing to say, but he looks like Tayl Sheridan. He's called Taylor Sheridan and he makeakes shows that Taylor Sheridan you'd want him to make. He says I knew when I started writing, I wanted to simply not do what everyone else was doing. He says. Yeah. Everyone else was making shortcuts, breaking all the basic rules of storytelling because they couldn't figure out their story He knew what he was fucking doing is basically his response.. Yeah And it's a very entertaining piece and I will be listening to that podcast because because sounds very funny. Yeah, he's rather unfiltered. the other side. Which it's interesting. You cant afford to be. Yeah you l trually afford When you run most of American television as he does, his empire is now gigantic. He could say what the He bought the four sixies run. Yeah. was an extraordinary amount of money. The horses that they use. I mean, we'll get into this but the horses they use on Yellowstone are his horses that he has trained lends them. He lends himself. If that's a fact I didn't know. Yeah. But so interesting thing is like we talk about Taylor Saron. he famous was Deputy Hill on Son of Anarchy. And he was saying when he did season two of Sonss of Anarchy, he was like, I just wasn't earning enough money to live. And he was like I couldn't do it. But then he goes on to say, I was earning fifteen thousand dollars an episode. You're like, so you kind of were earning enough money to live because that's actually given that there's what eight episodes in the season like you're doing all right, right? You're getting him fifteen grand an episodes. You're not doing too badly. I think he's got expensive tastes. He's not on the breadline is what I'm saying but then horses, expensive pets. They are expens. But he was saying that he went to the producer and said, I want more money. and he wanted apparently he wanted twenty twenty thousandars episodes. And they said no. They said, fifteen is what you're gonna get I'm And so he basically he was like, I' done. I, to be found out the left in season two, but basically then engineered his exit from the show. And he was just like, I'm done with acting because he's like, I'm just not earning enough Yeah. As an actor. he said and all the power was with storytellers. He said, fuck it, I will tell my man stories. And now he's just like dominating the globe. So It worked out quite well. off Yeah. You know what, Dutton Ranch, which has got to season two, which was very excititeding It' been renewed But they Chad Fan is the showrunner and he's leaving. He's leaving. We're getting a new one. Do you know who we're getting? Who are we getting? Ted Sherid? No we're not all know Ted Sheridan's. He's not invved in the. Benjamin Cavill and he has his writing and producing credits include Justified, Yes, please, Homeland, yes please, sneaky P pee, yes please, and Godfather of Harlem. So this is going to be great I despodes well It does really bode well It's a good boat. It good It's a good boat So yes, more Dutton Ranch on the way. Very exciting. Do you see Department Q seeason two has begun production. Yeah. So so it's still ways off and I' get see. I thought that was surprising. I assumed it would startop I thought it hadd been shot. I was wait for it to arrive, but apparently they literally haven't made it. Yeah Yeah, I was surprised by that I have to say But fair enough, I guess it takes a long time to write. Oh.it. Okay. They managed to put out like eighteen episodes of sllow horses every fiveutes you know what I mean? It'se. Don't you have a go. I mean it's eighteen, it's six and it's once a year now. But the whole yeah, but they still they do that thing where they work on three seasons of slow horses at any given time. So they either they'll be like editing one and then shooting one and then writing one, which is arranged that's true. That is right. And presumably the reason why Will Smith is not on show run because you, you know, what he hass gotone holding? Yeah, Well Smith the not that one the slapper. Not the slaer. Not the slaer. sl you know, the person who slapped. Oh N not that person. This is a big political story, but I'm going to mention itl. Yeah he'll cut it out if he doesn't want to. No, I don't mean no, you won't to cut it out, but the British government is apparently going to intervene in the paramount posed one hundred ten billion takeover of Warner Brothers discovery. What's it got to do with the British govern? becausecause they have outlets in British you know. they have other stuff to do. the government. Yes. Yeah, but you know the Minister for the Arts, I believe it was Lisa Nandy. Okay. She is the Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport. She said in a written statement to Parliament on Thursday, following her engagement with the partarties of Independent Research in my department today written to the current and proposed owners of Warner Brothers Discovery on my behalf to inform them I am minded to intervene I am minded Yes mind I'm sure they're going to pay an awful lot of attention to that. That's good. sureure. Lisa Nandy' views will be absolutely taken on board. We can't do this guys. think Lisa is been on the f. Lisa and Nandis is calledord. I'm so sorry. what was' not going ahead now. Wow. Yeah. God. For Nandy. Yeah getting both barrels from music. Yeah She's trying her best, you know. I think it's interesting because that deal is still still yet to be finally, you know. I don't think it's going to be crushed by Lisa l don qu Y analysist. off this new story have made that quite apparent. Yeah. You may not be wrong. I'm pleased, I'm encouraged that she's doing it because someone's got a fucking sort of intervene becausecause it's an absolute nightmare. Okay, I just don't get upset. She doesn't prevail. I' sort of Look, I enjoy David and Goliath sties as much as the next person, but this is very much like the little Chihua barking at the seven hundred forty seven. I agree. Anything else No, I have nothing else. No, we have nothing else boy, do you have anything else? No. Good, then we can move on from news this week, I think and move on to this week's reviews now. I should probably caveat reviews by saying This is maybe not the reme Le Creme of television entnertainment this week. Offerings were slim. sllim bigggs, I think it's fairly safe to say. You know it's difficult combination of embargoes and the aforementioned World Cup has meant that we struggled a little bit this week to find some shows. I had a great time. I watched a little lse in the P idge we can't talk about. So yeah, so just with that caveat O there, bear with us. Okay. so first up, we have The Dark on ITV, which is an adaptation of the novel from From the Shadows by G. R. Halliday, which is the first of his D. I. Monica Kennedy series. And this takes us up to Inveres for a ritualistic murder And who better tell us about this than our own ritualistic murder expert? Steph. Well I thought you two were going be really upset about this because one of the opening scenes is the body in the open and I know you don't like like What But actually I was like big thumbs up because it was a naked bloke. Yes. and I thought it's all about naked women. Okay's I was like, oh, they'll be okay with this. I'm absolutely fine with it becausecause I get so bored of that trope of just like murdered women all the time. and it's we're so actually murdered men ye All right since you've mentioned it, I should because I've just been working on this and in the press pack for the show, they interview the director and she says or the writer sorry. and she says that was an absolute deliberate thing. They did not She was sick and tired of having women, naked women corpses in show. so Oh really very much specified part Part of her being interested in it was the fact it was men, male, male men Who are the victims in this mail man, not mail m? Yeah, not anyone. Okay Okay, that's really interesting.., so we open. this is set in Scotland, you know, you know, my heart sort of belongs to Wales at the moment with crim regional crime dramas, but yeah, I'm really enjoying the rugged Scottish landscape of this. So we're introduced to the detective and she is obviously brilliant. She's got a new partner Wh is an idiot? Yeah He's an idiot and they are sent to see. she's got she's got a young child. there' you immediately know there's a backstory there. There's a mr. I dont I'm not going to spoil this for anyone, but there's this all sort happens in the first five minutes She's in a cinema, a woman comes to talk to her,'re not unsure if you've read the books'll know, but she's un have you read the books No,'t read books No. She's unsure'er. Well, if you read the book? Yeah no. I did do it like that, yah. It is Re really imply Yeah that you have it again. If you' read the book,'ll know, have you read the book? Yeah, I read book Because Ive read the books. J ed it in that lie. I haven't read the books. But yeah, as you know, I've told you this before. I' not really I don't really like crime fiction. I love crime fact. Yeah, I love like true crime. anyyway, that'st carry. Anyway, so we're introduced to the detective there's a sinister female figure who has is something from her past, so all, you know, great, great, great. And then they with this new partner she gets, they happen upon, they don't happen upon. They've been investigating this body in the field which is they for a hike happen upon. It's absolutely not wor. They do not go on a hike and happen upon a naked man. Do not listen to me What am I talking about? Okay. and They need to find out why this man is, but obviously because the detective knows the area, she lives in the area, she quickly knows who it is D don't want to give too much away because you're introduced to Helen Baxendale, She's in it who I was very. Wielding a gun. Wielding a gun. S it But again, it wasn't that in coold feet. It wasn't like that in Coldfeet. Do you know, yes, she's great though. She's really good in this And the absolute MVP of this whole thing is an amazing Irish wolfhound Yes Oh my god, the Irish. And the dogs are a theme, okay in this. so I'm not just saying it just because I love dogs. You're also introduced to a young man who who gets a mysterious phone and he's getting messages potentially from his mum. Again, I don't want to spoil this justust tell me if you think I'm going too far. Do you think I'm going too far, James And no no, I think you're okay. Okay. Right. What I would say about this, right for me I For the first kind of thirty minutes, I thought, o God, this is a bit clumsy and predictable. It feels a bit pedestrian, I'm not really into it. And then the last ten minutes, something happens, which I'm not going to give away that absolutely ramps this up to a really exciting dram and something completely different, but I can't give away what it is. The whole first episode, there's so many mysterious things going on. You kind of can't really it's quite hard to figure like how does she know him and who's that and who's that other woman? There's a lot of plot set in motion in this first episode, which's quite hard to kind of get to grips with I found anyway but by the last ten minutes I was really hooked and I thought it was good.'s not Absolutely amazing, you know, it's not it's not Apple TV crime drama or anything. but For an ITV, I thought this was good and it had something a little bit different for me. For an ITV. Well, I'm saying it for him. Hey, I didn't say anything. Yeah he didn't say anything but it does have a whiff of ITV about it, doesn't it? even worse. It's soaked in ITV. Yeah I love ITV, by the way. I think it makes excellent usage though, we should say, visually of the That Scottish Where they happen upon the body? Where they happen Well, someome has happened upon the body though do. T to be fair, it's just not the characters you said happen they're brought in. They're specifically brought in by those who happened upon. It's an appointment view. It's an appointment view of the body And I thought that, yeah, that's quite spectacous of the bleak kind of gray cold roocky backdrop of It's ruggy find wherever is. was really well done, like really really impressive. And I think that she is great. Laura Donnelly Who used was lead in the Neververs atast Sweden's the N. Yeah she's I think it's By the way, I think couldud us to IV because she's not that well known, I think here. She maybe just done a bit of stuff in there but never was obviously banished at yeah, that was unfortun her at all. That was unfortunate ye So they've c some relatively not unknown, but relatively unknown in comparison in this big Chunky lead role and she's really good, I think. She's quite kind of cold and enigmatic in a way, you know in her day to day M like yourselfou boy, abbsolutely. And I think she does that really well. The way she treats her new police partner, who is, as you say, What did you describe him as an idiot or He's an idiot.'sid idiot All these words. you know there's a scene where they're driving back and this was all of the scenes I thought, I done continue watching this. And for some reason, the writers have decided that she needs to divulge everything that's happened to her to him in this one car scene. She just gives him a whole backstory in her whole history and it just was really I thought it was really clunky. I didn't like that. But anyway, so carry on. O. But she's really good. Yeahes, she is good. But I agree with you. I was interested. I think there's enough interesting stuff going on because you've got this mysterious woman who pops up in the cinema in the very first scene, who's got some backstory with Laura Donland's character. You've got this whole other situation going on with Helen Baxell and her husband Emen Elliot, who who are the parents and you've got the actual murder itself The key the naked men thing. And I think that is really key that They are men all of men in this sp show spoiler of the victims And and you're tracing another storyline, another set of characters. the guy who works in the pub restaurant and his dad who seems quite grumpy. And you've got the dog as well as you say.'s so. The dog is great And then you've got this absolute nightmare of a finale of the first episode, which really seals the deal. And I think that because that turns it from Fairly you know,ed dram. I would say pedestions' a big it's by the numbers, do it? It doesn't notothing feels surprising. Sure feels very familiar. Apart Yeahah, maybe apart from the male bodies thing, that's an interesting. That's a departure. But then in the final five minutes and the final shot itself, you're like, oh, hold on This is quite scary, creepy, properly creepy like almost rural horror Yeah kind of thing. Yeah It has a touch of the folk horror. Yeah, it really does. And then I started watching the second episode and they ratchet that up more and more as it goes on. Yeah. So it is kind of folk horror meets Detective of Jal, and I think it works quite well So I think there's enough going on in that, you know, whether you think it's progestion or a bit slow or a bit or deliberately paced, as we say, I think it's all builds up so well to that final moment, which is horrific. And I thought they do that. they pulled that off really well Be that could have been cheesy and a bit, you know, try hard, but it really works. It's really It's scary, it's horrible So so I think that's what makes it makes it a cut above, I think, in the end. James, ready for you to rckon into it, please? No, no, that was fine That's my whole review. It was just fine. No, I liked it. like as you say, like when it starts off, it's quite douring and a bit boring. but no it is. And then I liked it was ding.' been a bit boring. It took me a little while to work out whether or not We were we had sort of parallel chronologies Do what me? Because obviously, you see a character who is clearly being groomed by the killer. And I'm like, that is that the naked, you know, buns out like from the beginning of the episode? Is that are we seeing how he got killed? I I didn't see that at all. No, obviously, he's you know, the next victim, but I was trying to work out misunderstoodcause it's very common. andm fucking, you know, Yellowstone does this all whole time Where you jump to a different chronology, but you don't signpost it in any way. Yeah. And that can be really, I mean, Department eQ's a really good example of how that's deployed you know to great sort of twisty effect. But that's what I thought was being done here. And then I was like, o, no, no, you're the next victims that I go. I didn't get that at all. So clearly I'm an idi. But anyway, I misunderstood that you are for a while And then eventually, I figured. Is it because he's using an old school mobile phone? Did you think that it was that? So this is interesting. Initially I was like, when is this set? Because it's got that slightly almost like seventies lighting thing.. No, I know that. It's like an old Noockiia, isn't it?. But initially, I was like to giveiv an excuse for his stupidity. Oh' trying to help and he's rejecting it. I mean, it wouldn't have been Bearing in by that they found his body on the moor the day before. He wouldn't have been killed in the nineteen seventies. Maybe there's a whole tri travel element Do it. I didn't think that Yeah, but I wondered whether it was like it was basically I'd missed a thing that said like three days earlier or something like that. I don't know. But anyway, so we'veestlished, I didn't really understand it. Yeah And I thought it was fine Brilliant. Yeah. Great. Will you carry on watching itbsolutely? I was in the dark. No, I will not continueing watching it but I was In't it? was. I really want to know what it is. that really got me h. There's a religious cult thing going on, which you didn't m. Yes, that is true. And they mentioned at the beginning that there's been this sort of cult is old It's the old case isn't it? Yeah It's the old case involving cult. Is it a lot going Yeah But then Palm's just like This is interesting, but Undersort Marsh is still on my sofcial list. so I feel like that's definitely one of priorities. absolute' absolutely right. abute that is the benchmark for crime dramas.ust because it's got more name in it? No, because I loved it before I loved J Kelly Reilly. Kelly R my best friend It freaks me out which she speaks with a r accent. I know's I't like it. Yeah, Underersaort Marsh was absolute that willll probably be on all of our Really it for you, maybe not? Was it this year? Was it not I think it was the sho sure? I think so. hat that's a good question? Yeah, we need to go back and look. I've live.as it this sh? In my opin. I'm not sure. Anyway, anyway, anyway, the dark then, which airs on every iteration of ITV, ITVX, ITV one, I don't know, whatever else.. I mean, it's on ITV one. It's on ITV one. Yeah ITVX. Yeah, but everything on ITV one is automat on ITVX. It doesn't a mean Show me the lie. It's like saying everybody your BBCI sas on BBCI I play. It is. Anyway. All you need to know is it's on ITV one this Sunday, the twelfth of July at nine PM and carries on on Monday. Oh Yeahes on Sunday Monday for the next three weeks abous Six episodes in all. I can confirm, by the way, at the same time, because I'm multitasking here that Undersword Marshallals indeed this year.? Oh gos, you're doing some great number ofhing today. That's very helpful. That's another one I've got to watch before we do the show the ye. What? W you not here for the conversation where I just said I can't watch this because I have yet to finish under Salt Marsh Honestly, s doesn't anything I say. our second show this week and This is going to be a completely seamless transition because you would never know that we've literally just evacuated the building because of a fire alarm test and then went it got lunch. And by lunch, I mean Boyy went to Itsu and Steph Bought looks at desesk. Family packets of Maltesers, Haribau, minstrels, and is there a fourth one? Were' original? Were's originals. And this is and I am not joking, Steph's lunch Steph hold the lun. hold up for the camera T T Show them your lunch. This is Steph'sunch. is Steh's actual work lunch. Hold it up, go on. you own it. Yeah, there we go. There we go All the maj food groups therere represented, and by that, I mean were the original Terbo Malties and minstrels, so Nice. goodood. I can't believe I've been publicly shamed. You've been publicly shamed for your lunch. You've been stating an intervention. Anyway, anyway, on the subject of human vapor, we are now turning to our next show, which is human vapor on Netflix, which is a TV reboot of the nineteen sixty sci fi horror of the same name which you may or may not know is from Godzilla creator Ishiro Honda. And this sees a criminal who can turn himself to fumes. and he commits crimes on national television. So boyy, tell us, is this A guast or a load of hot air Well this begins with a very entertaining And u kind of shocking Sequence in which a top kind of old bald guy scientists that Well, you know say as you see it. has been interviewed by a famous reporter Kyoo Kono Kyoo Kono, sorry. They're having a chat and then you see some kind of gaseous indndeed Vapor entering the TV studio where this is been going out being broadcast live And within seconds, this isn't, by the way, spoil this this isn set. Yes, I'm just exing before people will accuse me for spoiling things I they always do Within seconds, he's kind of shoots up into the air. Gvitates. Lberitates Yeah im towards the ceiling, hits the ceiling and then explodes all over poor Kyoko Ko. And the rest of the crew were filming him And there's blood splattered everywhere. And then at the same time, we meet this cop who has a nice is having a nice lunch his local noodle bar wherever. and encounters a young immigrant worker who's being abused by his boss, and he kind of intervenes in that situation. that's how we're introduced to him. And then the cop goes to investigate the exploding man, the reporter was also investigating the exploding man. she was right in the middle of him exploding all over her And together they then form the plot of the whole thing, which is that they are investigating exxploding Man. and the various appearance of this gaseous matter And which arrives in some kind of box sent to a specific guy and he doesn't understand what's happening either It's Very entertaining I think the the characters are immediately fun And it' kind of drawn to them and the cops kind of very effectively played by Shintagguru, who is a model apparently I was reading in Japan. and this is his first acting job. The cop guy The cop guy. Oh, he is hands. good. Yeahah, really good.. And it's fun I would to say is it's kind of on it is shot in in a quite a cinematic way and it feels like it's quite a, you know, deluxe piece of TV making except for The CGI, some of the CGI effects are quite bad, I know. Compulsive thing was with, boydy I don't know whether it was LED volume or it. LD volume or whatever Gas itself, first of in that opening scene that I' describing is kind of Unconvinced. Unconvinced by the gas. Easy gas. C cheesy gas, I don't know whether I thought. And then when he starts levitating and then the explosion was quite well done That was fine. but yeah, there was definitely moments of it that I felt were were Dubious. No I'm no expert unlike James, so we'll find out his verdict in a second That did stand out to me that they were because obviously the whole thing is relying on the special effect of this fucking human vac. So, I thought you were going to take issue with the tailoring of the antagonist's suit No He had an ill fitting deliberately ill fitting tailored suit. Yeah it was deliberately. oversized suit. Oh yeah, sure. That was deate. I mean, yeah, could take you could take a shoe with that. But no, ye I thought the effects every now and then weren't great. But then, you know, then when you read it's a remake of the thing made by the Godzilla guy, you can feel in a way it's part of the whole fun that they don't have to be. Yeah It' fun. Yeah, but I had a good time. It's very fast moving And obviously the only reason I'm reviewing is because there's not else to review this week. We have be brutally honest about it. But in the end I was enjoying the fact that we are reviewing it and I would never watched it probably. No, because I didn't I don't know anything about the original. No I don't know. But it was yeah, it was a whole lot of fun. I think this had layers. I was you know Considering it's vapor, it had a lot of layers. Yeah, the last time I saw anyone explode this well was Bella headid in the beauty t when she exploded in the explos. It was a great explosion. And this was also a great expplosion. I've got to give credit to the opening credits of this show because this I thought they were particularly well done. Oh yeah, the credits are nice Yeah, really, really nice Yeah, the cop, so so you're introduced to the cop who we now know as a model, who it's unclear and again, I don't know the film at all. It's unclear why he's been suspended and he gets reinstated in the first kind of five minutes of the show. And then what I also really enjoyed was There's flashbacks and it becomes clear that there is some kind of romantic entanglement between Koko and the cop guy whose name I can't recall at the moment. Model Man. Model manan. Let's him Model Man. And I like that whole I like that whole little dynamic that you know is going is going to play out. Chis Yeah, I kind of liked the reminiscing scenes and I think it's It's a good mystery And I actually because I don't know anything about it. when it gets to the kind of end of the first episode and it's not spoiler because we already know this man is human vapor. I was like, oh, it's a superhero thing. He's human. Like he's a villain. He's like, he's vapor. He's like human vapor And then I liked it even more But yeah, I would never have watched this Because as you know, I'm not a big fan of shows you can read. I'm not a big fan of shows you have to read. Yeah, it was good. Can I just credit myself? It's actually the human vapor himself, who is the model who's never done it before.. Oh okay. I was gonna say. Sorry, because I can see that Yes played by he's a guy called Utar Okay, Re Yeah, funny enough the guy playing the detective isree not a model. who's made over a hundred different films and TV shows. Okay and he's one of the most experienced and prolific actors in Jap. This is my favourite mistake that you have ever made. This is what the readers pay for.aders listeners. The listeners pay for Yeah. As I said, I was thinking may have got that theong way around and indeed I He was a bit elderly to be you know, to be kind of stomping the hak Yeah, I it's got it's kind of got a ring vibe to it, you know, the ring there's a little bit, you know, with the whole the video because the the human vapor guys on the video and doing a war, you know, giving a warning that people are going to get murdered and I think yeah, once you once you're in it It's good. Is it Oh I mean it's okay. He, come on. it's okay. It's o. sorry, I'm going to downgrade good. Yeah. In the second mistake from this review, I'm going to downgrade good. It's okay. It's I mean I didn't feel it offered a great deal because I think on the one hand, it's a bit silly. and I don't mind silling No I don't m It's a bit silly, but and it's quite heightened in the way that it's acted. L the acting is a little bit sort of like on point. it's very heightened. And I'd also like the story idn't really grip me either. I was a bit like, yeah, okay, vaper manan. you're going tell out you can do an interview and you're blowing people up and you think that speaking incredibly slowly and opaquely makes you mysterious and scary, it just doesn't make you good television. Oh I thought he was quite scary. was he I mean the fit of his suit was quite terrifying. you want to know Don't you want to know? I mean, because obviously he says the thing of like, oh, you know, this scientist did something wrong when it reeks of there being people experimented something. Of course, that's going to be that's never been done before or Xpendet, obviously like But I just feel like ex we're children of the atoms. Yeah I'm sorry. but you know what I mean, that kind of vibe of like people who, you know, have special powers because of yeah. Yeah, it's not good, isn it I just like it was okay and it might get more interesting because I accidentally watched the beginning of episode two and it's somewhat mad. How did you accidentally watch it? I forgot to turn it off when the first one finished. it did also open play the second one. But I just like I was just like this is not gripping me. And like super villains, yes on board for that, peopleople turning into vapor and murderizing people, theoretically on board. it's not very propulsive I think it is so propulsive. Really Oh, it's proulsive. It's just I did not feel sill. Yeah I agree with you on the silling thing, but I think that was almost part of the whole tone of it. and over the top acting, etcetera. I thought it was propulsive. I was one of ye, one of the propelled me to go and watch something else. wow. I think it does. I accidentally watched a bit more of it as well. And this is accidental because it does also so play. And unless you literally grab your remote, you know what I really hate about Netflix, right? When it's so judgy, like you've been watching too much judgment ites Are you sure you still want to stay on this? or should you you're going to turn off? And I so you've been watching too much television. Of course if you want to watch the credits as well, you're absolutely F because it's like no, no, moving on to the nextg. I want to know who the third g the system was That'sks. I was confused who was the model and who was the other? yeah Anyway I did also accidentally watch a bit more There's some influencer characters that come in. so it makes it kind of get makes it more suddenly up to date and kind of knowing and a bit better it gets a bit as it goes on which is interesting and a bit more propulsive. Yeah. So yeah, people may will like this. Maybe it'll be a massive sleeper hit, but just I could see there being a little bit of a cult following of this. I could feel people be yeah, I can think people are going to get behind it. Well it's a Toho Studios thing and obviously they have a large fan base. we go. Yeah. Okay, well anyway, that's human vapour, should you feel so inclined? and that is available on the Netflix now Yes. Yeah. Finally this week, finally this week. Oh We have X men ninety seven season two, which is, yes, you're right A cartoon. But despite that, we have put our long standard antipathy towards all animation, our animation bias, if you will, on hold to see if ninet's throwback animation is something that we can get on board with, especially because it has Marvel suuperhero, isn' it? I have ab said, Cold on, don't start grouping me in with you two. I love animation. I have nothing against animation. What's your favourite animation stuff cities of gold. Much what? Cities are cities of God. S we will find the cities of God. Yeah. I mean, when I said animation, I thought you might go with something kind of high brown adult, but you know you've g straight for the kids cass. Okay of recent times Flow I loved Fow Yeah good., than you.. I thought you were about to go back double down and say, yeah Bluey, I'd say Bluey is probably my favourite animation. I fucking come for Bluey. my ownount Bluey is is like the gold standard of kids TV, but you come It's bold to comeou. Yeah. Wow Blouie is one of the greatest animations of all time. So I've heard. Everyone can watch it. Yeah, it's almost like a list ' your response to everything. It is his response to everything. You should watch Blue. I'm not going Can you watch an episode of Blue before you watch Widows Bay? No. Okay. I'm not doing. Anyway. I'm just saying I love animation. Okay. Steph, the animation fiend is do for this. Don't get me to describe it because I've got no idea what's going. I No, no, you're taking it. No I can't Oh. It is far too late.it Anim Pilot TV's animation correspondence Well one hundred percent pick up because obviously we pick up from where we left on with season one, as you would of course know Steph being a massive fan of animation, they're in chronological exile. So we see how they deal with that in an episode here called Days of Past Future, which of course, as you know, Steph is a riff on the famous X Men storyline, Days of Future Past and inded the film of the same name. Isn't that right, Steph Explain away Oh Godd, don't I don't know. I have no idea.. I can tell you this that they're scattered throughout different time periods from ancient Egypt to the future, to the far future. And okay what they've got to do is they've got to find their way back to the nineties, okay? We're all trying to do that.' listen, I'm doing that all the time. Okay, right They need to get together to get rid of apocalypse, right? E Sabonur the first be. Why is he making me do it when he can do the voices as well. I'm just gonna say that I had to watch this really quickly this morning and this is not my preferred way to watch animation because what I really wanted to do is wake up on Saturday morning, get a massive bowl of pocoa pots and sit down in my front room and watch it, which is how all animation and especially this type of animation should be That's fair. It isn't it? It's fair Okay, so I was trying to take it all in, but obviously I hadn't watched the first season of X Men ninet. Did you watch the X Men the animated series in the nineties? Yeah, I banam. Yeah because I've got an older brother and my brother would watch all of that stike I watched every That's why like that's why like superheroes and Marvel. There was no Jason the The Whelded Wriors, but you know, that's great. No, that's why I love all that kind of stuff because I'm not as was forced to watch it because then you end up liking it, don't you? But anyway, right. Sop we got to stop apocalypse from taking over reality, okay? Yeah Well, Iess Meanwhile, back in the home era, they you've got Jubilee and sunspot And are they trying to save their son? Well, you wouldn't know, because they're not in the first episode. but I't know. Right But yes they willt up in their trailed at the very end of the first episode. We know that they're. And who's trying to save their son in this first one? Yes That would be Cylots and Gene Greay. theirir son, of course, being Nathan Simers who grows up to be cable in the future. Okay He is infected with a kind of cybernetic virus, which is, you know, constantly battling with. I'm just gonna to say I have not watched X men for so long. I literally can't remember who anyone is. So Storm is the one who manipulates storm. Halleberry, I know who Storm is. Like listen, everyone knows who Storm is o. Everyone knows who Wolverine is. I'm talking about maybe the lessonike Bishop and forge and they like is one with a headband. I think that's are you referring to forge Oh The one is hopping around in time. The guy with the headband it looks like John Travalta. Oh, isn't it? The one look like John Travolta.ure Oh yeah he has got yeah I don't know. Okay I don't remember I' the first Xx Men for so long. My brother is so obsessed with X Men, he named his first child Xavier. people try to call him Xavier it's Xavier Charles Xavier, that's what he's called His name' not Charles Exavier,'s called xvia. Just say anyway. I couldould have just called this on Charles and been done with it I should have done a rewatch. I should have done a rewatch because I could not have to speed on this. I'm sorry him. I should Ohh Godd, he would love that. Yes, so that's all I know about this Right, I am just gonna hammer home the point. I do think that you have to consume these type of series on a Saturday morning with a bowl of your favorite cereal. it's really hard when you're in an office watching it to kind of get it into your eyes, all right? And in fairness to us, we only did get we only did get this in fairness to me we only did get this last night. So I'm probably not the best person. but What I love about this kind of throwback is music. To me, that takes me back to a time and place where I'm very happy and very comfortable and it's a duvet on the sofa, on the Saturday morning. and yeah, and I will this is the kind of thing that I would watch with Gracie and I know that she would really like U as as a forty five year old woman, I'm not sure I'm just gonna watch it off my own back is all I'd say, but it was good The cartoon that it is as a throwback. That was the analysis from Pilot TV's animation correspondent We turn now T's boy help. I really liked The title sequence Which is basically the same one that the ninety S show had. I wouldn't know because I didn't never watched Oh, you never watched. Okay, so he he' less than me, o, I feel better now. No,less I never watched the nineties version, not the slight of interesting Never hardly able to any of I the Xen movies, live action movies, the were good ones. Okay No they vary in quality of but some of them some of them are really good. someome of them are Mediocca. This t this was really fun. Like showed you each ex person, you know, like a little c of them and the music was fun, as you say, it was like kind of A is rock, It' power rock of some kind But the rest of our was just completely bewildered. But that's because you're not thirteen. I mean, well, Well, this isn't aimed at thirteen year olds, really. This is aimed at people who watched sex men when they were thirteen. Oh, it'simed at me. okay, Oh well, I liked it. Yeah, it's quite you it's quite adult. it? Is it I don't know. Fundamentally here, this is, I think you've stumbled, frankly, in the dark by absolute floke onto the crux of this issue Which is who is this for? Yes. So a lot of the people that I know who watch it are generally people who either watched Exand the Animated series in the nineties and like, oh my Godd, this is bad, that's so cool they got the same voice actors by and large and the same animation style. it just feels like the same show orr they' people who I guess are just animation nuts, right? But It's still the same kind of and to be found, anything X Men was generally a Saturday morning cartoon. certainly that's not when I watched it. It's still Essentially a kid show. Like it's not an' say In invincible, right? Invincible uses a similar sh we say slightly basic throwback nineties animation style where it looks a bit shit. But it's undeniably adult in tone. It's much more sophisticated in its writing. And Invincible is probably an example of using, you know, really shitty janky animation, but with very sophisticated storytelling Yeahep This uses the same janky animation, but I would argue and many people who listen to this podcast and who love animation and a big would I'm sure disagree, I feel the storytelling is Not sophisticated. I feel that it is aimed very much at children because it feels a bit basic to me. And I think I had this with X nine seven the first season. I watched. I'm like, this isn't for me. this is just a kid show and I am no longer thirteen. I am now much older than that and I don't care anymore. It definitely is kids cottage. Yes, This' what I'm saying fine. So I kind of I feel like this isn't like adult animated storytelling, this is just a kids cartoon, that a lot of adults enjoy it and watch it. and I'm sure I will get lots of hate for this because I know there are a lot of people listen this podcast who love X ninetine seven. and one woman who has contributed to this podcast, I know is a massive fan. There isn't wrong. But yeah but there's also absolutely nothing wrong with adults loving Yeah, but I know what you means because I was that was the point I was going about to make before you launched that sorry, monologue. I know it wass fine because you've summed it up.. is that I was mystified because I thought it was, I thought The whole show was an adult oriented animation, but the voice acting and the script The script Yeah, it's very to follow. So he's deed also just bas basically so. And so I was bewildered because I was like, o, I thought that was in my mind. I thought it was going to be some quite sophisticated, you know banter or I don't know, something or other that would define it as being for adults, but no, there isn't. And so yeah, I felt like I have never no wish to watch any of it anymore ever again. And I had this with invincible what I often do with animation is it's what I call animation voice. Yes, where they put on this incredibly h like humans don't talk like n And I get that you know when you're doing animated show like this, you're not really going for naturalism. It's not fucking cinema verae, right? It that's not what they're trying to do. Definitely not. Right. And So I get it, but it takes me out of it. I can't I cant takeakes you out of the animation show. It does an take you out of the animation. So lest we forget, Arcane was an animated show that I really, really enjoyed. That's really good Beautiful the animation is stunning, the acting is great. The storyline is multilayered and complex and it's really engaging That is what I want from an animation. I want it to have great storytelling, great acting and look stunning. This looks dreadful. by design. too be fair no, it is a stylistic choice. It's comforting. It's a stylistic choice, but let's be honest, it's not pushing the boundaries of animation, right? The voice acting is again, it's very heightened, very kids cartoony because that's where it evolved from And I just don't think the storytelling is sophisticated.el it just feels quite basic to me. And bear mind, I really enjoy the expent stories, I like the comics, I like the characters. I'm actually already in the tank for a lot of this stuff, but I still can't bring myself to care because the storytelling just for me is too basic. And I just yeah, I can't be dealing with it. I'm so sorry. No. Wow, James, okay. We are in agreence. Yes, sadly our animation biased, despite Pilot TV's animation editor being here. The real test, by the way, of my own personal animation bias which I've been very' very upfront about and I know it's bad. but I don't I'm not proud of it. No you shouldn't be. is Ali Cats is the Rickyevace? Oh God, that's such a. But you know, having already seen the trailer and you know, I'm like, I think trailer I think' going to be on board with this one. Yeah, but that is in theory that should be a test Gott I can't wait til we review the next series of Bluey It may have ten you a matter of time. It genuinely may happen Okay, it's been a slightly chaotic podcast. Right? Whver What else is on this week Well, littleittle house on the prairie. Yeah. Steph's seen it. Yeah. A, by the way, did you like in my character guy piece I didn't heat that I included the dog, Jack McDg How is that so much to say about Jack.. I will be saying that all about Jack the Dg. It is all about's one of the main five characters. We're gonna cover Little House in the Prairie on this week's Pilot Plus. Oh we can do it Pil of Plus. Yes. Oh fun. Trying is as we obviously we spoke to Esther Yes Sason five. Season five starts on Wednesday Eighth of July twenty Jx James would be particularly interested in this one There's a documentary produced by Louis Therreuse's production company, James onn Wednesday. he's on it documentaries. Katie Price. Oh my go. Nothing to hide. She's got nothing to hide. I'm sure she doesn't. Well You know, we'll see. There is What is Katie Price's alter ego? Jordan. Yes I do know who she is. I'll just checkking. I mean, that's a good point.. And rememember S of Austin, Do you remember the Australian thing with Ben Miller and Sally Phillips and their long lost son Thatacks back on Friday on BBC one. They formed I mentioned Mcenzie Cooker Mark if you remember the office. that's on Wednesday, BBC two tenen o'clock And I think that's about The Westies Oh get the West Cs, which is on Sunday,levenBM plus Heavily which we're going to cover that in next week's show Yeah Okay, what is a pick of the week Im's going to be the dark first Oh no, I didn't mind human vapor or did I? Oh Godd No, it's the dark, isn't it? It is the dark. we look at the are the dark. It is probably. ITV triumphs. Yes, ITV has one Oh Godd, right, that's it for this week's podcast Thankfully we hope you enjoyed the o'clock. It's nearly honestly, it's taken us three hours to record this podcast. We've had a fire alarm, we've had, you know stff, we've had so much going on. It's been exhausting, which leaves us with literally an hour left to record our Dutton branch episodes. we' to get into that. Please leave us a review. Five stars would be lovely Please' leave thiss abuse, that would be awful.. Yeah, exactly. And we will be back to talk Little House and the Prairie on Thursday and on next week's show, JK Simmondons is going to be on, which is very exciting, notot just JK Simmons, JK. Simmons and Tom Britney. always first. And they're going be talking to Bys's favorite Helleno Hara about the West is, which we'll be reviewing next week as well What else is out next week? Let's see. Oh, lucky's next week, but we're gonna be doing There's a bumper loaded. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff. Ridal dies next week. F d. Are we gonna do Rid? Fost our weekend? Art you think the Hawk on Nallflix? Android Android, Yes, D Dian Morgan Morgan. And Hostopper forever, though that's film. What is it though? Yeah, Is it? Yeah Is it? Yeahes It is coming out in cinema lth It's a streaming film on a teachhing show It's a streaming film. It's a one off feature length episode. Well we'll get into that later. Okay God, I hope you've enjoyed this podcast. I'm not sure we have, but nevertheless we'll see you on Thursday. 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