The Happiness Lab with Dr. Laurie Santos
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Why You're Still Using Social Media (Even If You Want to Stop) with Dr. Cass Sunstein
In this episode of The Happiness Lab, Dr. Laurie Santos sits down with legal scholar and behavioral expert Dr. Cass Sunstein to investigate the psychological grip of social media. Despite the common experience of feeling worse after scrolling, many users find it nearly impossible to disconnect. Drawing on insights from the 2026 World Happiness Report, the pair explores the concept of the product trap—a phenomenon where platforms are designed in ways that make it difficult for individuals to abandon them, even when they no longer provide value. Listeners will gain a deeper understanding of why these digital environments foster compulsion rather than connection. By examining the structural incentives behind these platforms, Dr. Santos and Dr. Sunstein offer a thought-provoking perspective on our relationship with technology and discuss what it might take to finally break free from these cycles.
Updated Apr 21, 2026
About This Episode
Why is social media so hard to quit? We waste hours scrolling, feel worse when we log off, and still find ourselves going back for more.
Dr. Laurie sits down with Dr. Cass Sunstein, co-author of (00:00:57) Nudge, to explore a new concept from the 2026 World Happiness Report: the “product trap.” Together, they unpack why we keep returning to platforms that make us unhappy — and what it might take to finally break free.
Resources mentioned in this episode:
Technopoly: The Surrender of Culture to Technology
Nudge: Improving Decisions About Health, Wealth, and Happiness
“The Welfare Effects of Social Media”
“When Product Markets Become Collective Traps: The Case of Social Media”
“Libertarian Paternalism Is Not an Oxymoron”
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