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Hey, it's friend Mel, and welcome to the Mel Robins podcast Today, I am so thrilled that doror Vonda Wright is here for you and me Dr. Wright is a world renowned orthopedic surgeon clinical researcher in the science of longevity and a specialist in women's health. And today She's not playing around. You better get ready In fact, Dr. Wright is going to tell you something that might just break your heart After seeing more than one hundred thousand patients in her clinical practice She'll tell you that the number one thing that her female patients say to her as they're getting older I don't want to end up like my mother Just let that sit for a minute And I want you to think about your own mom. Did she take care of herself I mean, if you could go back in time, wouldn't you want to grab your mom by her shoulders? When she was in her thirties or forties or fifties or sixties and say Wow I know you're taking care of all of us, but that's not an excuse to ignore your health. You got to start taking better care of yourself. This matters And if you're lucky and your mom is still alive I hope you send this episode to her Because if you haven't been able to get through to her to get her to understand how important her health is Doctor right, Will Because Dr. Wright knows The simple things that you can do She knows what your mom can do. She knows what every woman in your life needs to do in order to live a stronger healthier life And she's also going to tell you You can start exactly where you are She knows how critical it is She's going to take this message very seriously and she's the perfect messenger because nobody can out excuse Dr. Wright because she has heard every excuse in the book. I'm too tired, I have no energy. I'm going to get hurt. I'm too old, I'm too fat. My kids need me. my parents need me. I don't even know where to start. After listening to this episode There will be no excuse that you or any woman in your life will' be able to come up with to ignore your health. Because Dr. Wright has great news Your body is designed to respond positively at any age And the small changes that she'll tell you that you need to make, they are going to compound so quickly. There is so much that she's about to teach you. You're going to feel like you're sitting at a private appointment with her You're going to learn, for example, that there are two decades based on the research that matter most when it comes to healthy aging and longevity. And don't worry. One of those decades you haven't missed yet She'll also boil all the science down to four simple habits that she will teach you to start practicing right now in your kitchen for crying out loud This is per protocol to help you start making Small Simple changes to feel younger. and stronger from now on Did you know skincare starts in the laundry room? For real. 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Learn more at uhc d. com slash care Hey, it's your friend Mel. Welcome to the Mel Robbins podcast. I'm thrilled that you're here. I'm thrilled about our expert today. It's such an honor to spend time with you and to be together and if you're a new listener or someone shared this episode with you, particularly if somebody in your family shared this with you This is a gift. This is a way somebody has said, I love you to you becausecause you're gonna to really be changed after you listen to this I am so glad that you're here to experience the brilliance of Dror Voner Reich Dr. Von Derright is a renowned, double board certified orthopedic surgeon who earned her medical degree from the University of Chicago. and her fellowship at the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York She served as the very first chief of sports Medicine and Orthopedics for Northide Health System in Atlanta. And she is also the founding medical director of the UPCMC Lam Muse Sports Complex at University of Pittsburgh, where she also served as the director of many of their largest clinical research teams Her pioneering work in mobility and musculoskeletal aging has changed the way medical professionals around the world treat the aging process She's also the author of five New York Times Bestsellers, including her latest Unbreakable. And what I love most about Dr. Wright is that she's not just a practicing medical doctor who has seen more than one hundred thousand patients in clinical practice but that she began her medical career as an oncegeingurse That's what she did before she went to medical school Which means she's not just brilliant She's a special kind of person And today she stepped out of the hospital and her clinical practice to be here for you and the women that you love to So please help me welcome Dr. Vanda Wright. Wcome to the Mel Robinsodc Dr Vonda Wright, I amm so excited to see you. I'm excited to be here with you. I am so excited to talk to you today because Every time I read your work or I listen to you or I get a chance to sit down with you, it really opens my eyes to both the stupid things that I'm doing that I didn't realize were counteractive. and also the simple changes you can make, I feel stronger. and I love how you break things down into what I can do And how I want to start is I'd love to have you tell the person who's listening right now what they might experience about their life. and how they feel that could be different. If they really take to heart everything that you're about to teach us today. I mean, you've seen over a hundred thousand patients. you've authored forty four research studies You are a renowned Orthopedic surgeon You are a team dock for professional sports. you are expert in longevity You have the number one book in the world ranked in longevity right now, The New York Times bestestseller Unbreakable What is it that's going to change about their life or my life. if we take to heart Every you're about to share with us. You know, Mel, the reality is that I find is sometimes we feel so bad Sometimes the road has been so long since the last time we felt really good, that we think that there's nothing we can do and that we've waited too long. and that we should have start we have the regret of should have started before But here's what we know from the science. Here's what I know from taking care of people that there is never an age or skill level when your body will not respond to the investment you make in it. So whether You take all the advice we give today and start down the road or whether you just want do one thing Not only will your body respond by getting stronger by becoming less painful But it will prove to yourself that you are worth this investment that you are making Amazing You know, one of the things that you say that you hear most from patients is I don't want to end up like my mother. Yeah What does that mean Every day I have people come in and whether they're in pain or they have an orthopedic injury, or maybe they're just coming to me to talk about their menopause. and they look to the person that is closest to them. to see how it's gonna be And sometimes they see their mother's suffering Not able to do what they've always done, which is take care of the whole family, not able to enjoy the years that they should be enjoying Right We work our whole lives to get to a point where we have time to take care of ourselves or do what we want to do. And sometimes we're in so much pain or so frail we can't. And people come in and say, I'm afraid that's going be me. be me. What do I do now? I'm already starting to be in pain or I don't know the roadmap to not end up in the same place as this person that I love, what am I gonna to do But the reality is, if you're saying that phrase out loud, I don't want to age like your mother, go a little deeper. What part of her aging Do you want to be different? Is it the frailty Is it the We need to be concerned about our brain health because seventy percent of all Alzheimer's occurs in women. What do we do about our brain health And when do we start that? I just need people to not wait so long to care about their futures to not assume We're always going to be the way we were when we were in our twenties and thirties becausecause the reality is We will age like our mothers if we don't step in front of it. I think so many people are going to resonate with that and What I love about What you just said is that even if you're in your twenties Like so many of her moms didn't take care of themselves. Yeah. midlife taking care of themselves. Midlife women with twenty year old daughters. Yeah. abbsolutely. Like I can I almost sense Those of you in your twenties and thirties sharing this with your mom right now saying, mom, please take care of yourself.. It's time for you to put yourself first. I love you, it's time. I love you, it's time For the person that received this from somebody that they love, what do you want to say to them becausecause they've hit play Yeah because their daughter or their son or their husband or their sister sent this to them. Know that you are receiving this podcast out of love This person cares for you and they want you to feel better and they know that you deserve the same care that you have always given them You deserve to take care of yourself Take it in that spirit. and take action And I also want to say, I am so glad that you hit play And you saw the invitation to listen to something that will help you improve how you feel in your body. You deserve that Dr. Wright, what's the biggest lie that you and I have been sold about aging? Oh, the biggest lie is that there's nothing you can do about it. Just come on, nature's that way. Aing is the enemy Aging is the most natural part of living, Mel. Fr you know what, I have three grandchildren. They've been aging since the minute that they were conceived, right? And we want them to. We celebrate their aging. You know, icing everywhere, candles, whyy aren't we celebrating aging Well, we can celebrate aging if we pivot our mindset and invest the energy and the equipment that we've been given Right? It's just a very different mindset change of the inevitability of aging is decline and fraty It is the reality for many people. I do, you know, I'm a practicing surgeon. You make a point of that all the time, thankfully I do see a lot of real real people who for one reason or the other, who have taken care of everybody but themselves And they have slid down the slope to frailty, but that is not inevitable There are plenty of examples all over the internet right now of people in their seventies, eighties, and beyond just continuing to be mobile. and living at a capacity that maybe they never thought possible, but they just kept at it. So for somebody that's like frail right now. Yeah. So they've take they had no access to you. They were told the lie that there's nothing they can do and they're feeling frail or they love somebody that's frail What would you say to that person is available and what you're about to share You know, some of the various earliest research that I ever read and preparing to be a longevity researcher was done on ninety year old men in a nursing home who really were living in chairs And those people in the very first studies were put through chair exercises with little bitty hand weights And they increased their function one hundred and fifty percent The research shows that there is never an age or skill level when you cannot get stronger no matter where you're starting. But I'm going to tell you a very personal story. Do you mind Please. So my parents live with us It's a tradition in our family. They're eighty six. My dad has been a lifelong endurance athletes, so he continues to do what he's always done. My mother, who's eighty six, was born in a generation where women didn't sweat Right? No I'm laughing because it's true. Yeah. And so, you know, she She was doing fine, but she had very little physiologic reserve, meaning what's in the health bank account for her? So during COVID, she got really, really sick and lost a lot of weight and became extremely frail Well, the poor woman lives with me and she can't not hear me say all these things. So one day I look outside and she's shuffling along, We are live in Florida around the pool And she's got these something in her hands and she's doing biceps things with it. And I look and my mother is curling Campbell's soup canans. And do you know that between that time when she was so frail that all she could do was shuffle around with Campbell's soup G now is biceps curling ten pounds and squatting in her chair with ten pounds. This eighty six year old woman goes from almost dying in an ICU. to Purling ten pounds. It just shows even within my own family, there is never an age or skill level when your body will not respond to the positive stress you put on it. We are made to adapt. It's the way we're made And so that was a very long answer to answer the question with the simple truth, there is never an ajor skill level when your body will not respond to the positive stress you put on it. So don't give up, people Well, what I love about you, Dr. Wright is you are the positive stress. Because you don't take excuses. You're the expert in longevity in my opinion because you've treated over one hundred thousand patients. you're still in clinical practice, you're an orthopedic surgeon. You have authored forty four research publications on the topic, but you were also like, you can't out excuse me. Yeah. So what has the research studies taught you about aging and people's like biggest excuses that they can't do anything. I think There's so much that the research taught me. We did a series of studies at the University of Pittsburgh while I was there earlier in my career that basically showed that when you take the variable of sedentary living away Like I only studied People not pro athletes, active people over fifty. And what do you define as active They they worked out most days of the week. Okay. They entered some races. They weren't winning the races, but they were purposely active every day And we quantified that in the studies. But what we showed is that when you take sedentary living out of the picture, you're not just sitting on your couch waiting on the inevitable or not the not inevitable to happen H You can retain your muscle You can retain your bone We did a study. It took us five years. You retain executive function of your brain you can stimulate your muscle stem cells. It just shows the regenerative capacity of our bodies when we're not sitting around, right? That's what the research shows. The reason I know that people can't out excuse me is because when you sit across the exam table from this many people over this many years, you've heard it all. you know I would love to do that, but I hear you but. And so I have an answer for time. Well let's hear your answer. What do you say to the woman who swears she doesn't have time to exercise? The reality is We need to own our excuses Why can't you find time? Well, maybe it's because you really are that busy, but how can we carve out an hour You can't find the time because you can't trust anybody else to do it the way you do it And maybe you need to step back if you value yourself more than how clean the dishes are. I mean, it sounds insane, but these are real things. You may have to let go of the control you exert over who does the dishes. Is it so important that you do every single thing And what do you get from that Right? Is there some gain you get from controlling every aspect when the reality is maybe someone that you live with could help you and give you an hour? I don't have time because I'm taking care of somebody else. that That may be true How can you, if you're taking care of children, how can you swap time with another mother? So she has her hour and you have your hour? How can you stop saying my husband is gonna to babysit our children They're the children of the family. It's not babysitting. It's sharing parents. I mean, all these things I could go on and on. Well, I love the nuance of what you're saying because It always struck me that if I think back to even a decade ago someomehow Chris always had time to play golf Oh, don't get me sed. somehow like he was finding the time and not to throw him under the bus. I'm owning this. Yes. And so in our relationship, it was like he had free time to take care of himself, but somehow I never had enough time because the laundry had to get done. Not because he was telling me to do it, but because what your role was. Correct And so what are the other nuances that you see in terms of the excuses that women use in particular to not prioritize themselves? Well, I'm going give women some grace and just say part of you taking care of everybody else has to do with our biology and this hormone called oxytocin, which we make Men make it too, but we make it and estrogen increases the receptors for it. Oxytocin is the be friend Hormone Tend h meaning it's why one of the biologic reasons why women take care of everybody else. We are biologically programmed through the hormone oxytocin to take care of people. I know, isn't that interesting? He's really interesting. And I kind of felt like, okay, I'm not an idiot. No. I just some grace. Okay. You're wired this way But now that you know that But now that you know, the more you know, the more you can act. You know biologically there is a hormone that makes you this way. It doesn't mean that you still don't have agency. to evaluate your schedule and find the time. Do not sit around waiting for the phone call from your friend or your kid to see if they need your help. Do your thing and be available when you're available, right? That was That was one example I had from a of mind. maybe You don't feel like you can invest in your health because your right knee hurts. If your right knee hurts, which happens in midlife a lot or your left knee, I chose a knee, If your knee hurts You have two strong arms, you have a core, and you have another leg that you can continue to get stronger. Your right knee hurting has nothing to do with what you put in your mouth because a big part of pain and inflammation is the food we feed ourselves, including all the processed food all the sugar So you see how I break this down for people I do. I feel like I'm sitting in one of those medical gowns. Oh on a piece of paper on in an exam room and I've been trying to get around adv I say you're telling me and doror Wright saying, no, you can't out excuse me. Mal, you've got a mouth, you got other arms Stop. I would rather people just say, you know what, Dr. V. I don't want to Bea that's more honest and authentic. It's true And then I maybe could show you data where you don't want to, but if you don't, this is what could happen. What is the data you would show I would show things like When we are sedentary after we eat a meal, how blood sugars can spike versus if we go walk for twenty minutes after a meal, we're going to keep our blood sugar more level, which is going to keep us less inflamed. You're going be in less pain. And then people are like, oh my God, is that all it takes not to be in pain Well, it's one of the things. So let's do that, right But until we have that authenticity and that honesty about Why we know it to do what we're not doing? You know As an orthopedic surgeon, why can one fall be the moment that changes everything, especially for a woman So one in two women will have an osteoprotic fracture. So a fracture related to poore bone health. in their too? Yeah, so statistically m, it's either you or me. And when you say it like that, it becomes really real But if you fall and you break your hip, these are the statistics you're talking about. seventy percent of hip fractures are in women Because of the complications of being frail and fragile And being sedentary and having a big stress like a big fracture, thirty percent of the time, you may die in the first year. thirty percent It's huge It's not a small number If you survive fifty percent of the time you will not return to prefall function which means maybe you have to go live in a nursing home, which is nobody's destination of choice. Maybe you have to move in with your kids or you have to hire somebody full time So this becomes not only a personal burden becomes a family responsibility And that we will break a bone or fracture a bone not because of some catastrophic thing, but because our bone density space. low energy fall. So there's a difference a low energy fall, What is that? Well, there's a difference. I'm making the distinction between being in a terrible car accident wrappingard, that's another story All it takes is tripping over the curb or the little bitty dog that runs around the house, or the rug that wasn't latched down, and you land hard and that frail bone, which had not previously broken brakes And if it's your hip and you end up in the emergency room, it sets off a catastrophic series of events that can lead to death. We want to be as strong as possible, which as much lean muscle mass as possible not just thin, but lean as possible. We want bones as strong as possible, but what we really need to do is not fall. And so that's why in unbreakable, I don't leave it as we got to do cardio, which I do say that We have to lift weights, which I do say that. But we talk about rebuilding our balance and working on foot speed so that we don't have a fatal fall that ends you up in the emergency room dealing with that. So I'm thinking now because I've got daughters in their mid twenties. Yes. Mal, here's the deal. Falling and breaking a hip is not inevitable Having poor bone health is not inevitable Poor bone health manifests when we're older begins when we're younger. And so we need to pivot from only arriving in midlife to say, what am I going to do here pivot in saying Oh my God, I've got to tell my kids this. I've got to to them about their bone health when they're reach in their late twenties in their thirties. And When you talk about bone and muscle, we reach those peaks Around the age thirty peak are we reaching? From then we're going to draw for the next forty, fifty, sixty years, right? So this is a lifetime conversation just, oh, I've hit midlife and I'm getting older conversation How do you know if you have bad bone health or what should you be doing for good bone health? Yeah, really good question Bone reaches a peak between about fifteen post puberty. twenty five thirty. And even by peak? Yeah We have The most bone density we're gonna have at that point. Okay, right. the strongest bones If We've been jumping around in our childhood, if we've been feeding ourselves, if we've actually had periods and enough estrogen, and there are some young girls who donon't have periods. I mean, I didn't. I was a dancer. I thought it was fine. littleittle did I know. andm So we have to build bones so that we reach a peak, the best bone we're gonna to get around age thirty because When we hit perimenopause and lose our estrogen, We could lose fifteencent to twenty percent in the five to seven years. Wait, I just want to make sure I understand this because what you just said is very important. Yes. fifteen to thirty twenty five your re peak bone density. Yeah. Okay And then thirty to whatever, for perimenopause, you're kind of in that zone. But then when you start experiencing perimenopause into menopause, when estrogen basically falls off a cliff and in the female version castrated almost. that that is the language on You lose fifteen percent to twenty percent of your bone? D't said, Yes. The loss of bone is estimated in men and women to around thirty after peak bone density to decline at about one percent per year Men continue that. but women, when estrogen walks out the door increase their loss of bone to three to four percent a year O five to seven years of perimenopause when most women are trying to figure out what's going on, that adds up. I am gonna say I never knew. Yeah that there was a connection between estrogen and the fact that women experience, is it called osteoporosis? What's it called Osteoporosis? Yes. I had no idea that was I always wondered why more women broke their hips. always wondered why women had more frail bones. I had no idea it had to do with estrogen there are many reasons estrogen is one of the big reasons because estrogen is a key controller of bone remodeling. It controls how much bone is is resorbed. Yeah or taken away for the body to use Here are other reasons why women have low bow density besides estrogen. Number two, what if we're stuck in skinny culture? And what if like so many of us were, we were raised when the supermodels were this big. And now unfortunately, we're getting back to that And I think we're gonna see worse before we see better. It frightens me as a bone doctor. but that's another conversation. But if we never ate enough We're not going to prioritize building bone. If we're in constant energy deficiency growing up We're not going to build enough bone. What if we grew up in a time when we were smoking so much nicotine? Nicotine is bone poison. And so we have weak bones. or what if we were sick? What if we had asthma? We needed a lot of steroids or what if we succumb to autoimmune diseases? All of these factors can influence how much bone we build. But I don't want to leave people on a negative note. There no, but I think it's really important to understand because I'm just going to speak for me personally. Yeah. When you're younger, there's a naive to think that you're just going to live forever. Of course. And the decisions that you make don't matter and understanding that these things have a really important implication long term. as you age. I think is an important thing to understand. And it also explains the urgency for those of us in our forties and fifties take the recommendations you're going to talk about seriously because if we're already compromised in terms of the decline in bone density, which sets us up to have these low impact fractures or whatever you just call them, now all of a sudden resistance training, protein, the things that you're going to talk about really become important not just because you're recommending it, but because I now actually understand why Yes, you understand the biology. You understand that they can be life saving. Yes They're not just things to do. Rias So How do we build better bone? Well, number one, I always start with mindset. Do you believe that you can influence your future? Yes, okay, thenen we're gonna work hard. And I can build better bone. Oh yes. if I like blown it, even if I'm all dried up and I'm in menopause at fifty seven, I can do that. I' never dried up now. Okay We just have to be smarter and wiser. We need to harness the wisdom of our age, right? It's never over for this. But to your point, yes, we can build bone. Wow. or I didn't know We can build bone and we can stop the decline You know, maybe you're going stay steady instead of losing three percent. Well, that's technically lose building bone. Yes. because we know we're going to lose three percent. Well, what if we stay steady? That is still a victory 's a huge victory. It's a huge victory H I have so many more questions, I need to hit the pause so that we can hear a word from our amazing sponsors. But when we come back, we're gonna dig into your protocol. You claim we can start where we are. I believe you, we're gonna make this easy, and we're gonna cover that and so much more when we return. So stay with us Again and again, there's this common thread. Women are busy. There's never enough time in a day. 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Vonda Wright. She is sharing her protocol to feel younger and stronger and helping us start exactly where we are Dctor V, you have four steps to getting fit, even if you're starting from zero. Yeah. Walk us through what we should be doing So I think that it can be very complicated, but it doesn't have to be. Okay at all. It doesn't. So let's say Let's say you're stepping away from the couch for the first time in years. Okay, let's just say I call I call that adult onset exercisers, meaning you've gotten the message. We're gonna to start All you have to do to start is Go for a walk today In fact, put this on, put meelani in your ear Yes and let's walk together. for as long as you can And you're going to do that for seven days. I don't want you to go to the I don't want you to live tomorrow. I just want you to walk for seven days because you know what that is, Mel? That is a streak In exercise world and running world, we call doing something daily a streak.. Well, if you walk every day, preferably after your biggest meal you're not going to want to not do it on the eighth day because you've accomplished something and you're going to feel good about that. So after you've started that then Let's figure out how to lift some weights. So maybe we start out with body weights. We're just gonna to get up and off the chair ten times in a row. We're going to grab some books off the shelf and do it with some books. It doesn't have to be complicated or lifting heavy weights because you know what'll happen? When we start with our body weight and then progress to lifting light weeights, give yourself six months. You're gonna be in a gym with a bar on your shoulders throwing weights around. I mean, you can progress over six to nine months to truly lifting weights in the way that you see people in the gym doing it. We're gonna start by walking and creating a street. We're gonna start lifting then. Once you're lifting, you can maintain by lifting twice a week. That's it I mean, you can maintain twice a week two total body workouts twice a week. And then when you get advanced enough to lift heavy, you'll get more specialized. but we don't start that on day one. Number three, we need to retrain our balance. We need to stand on one leg anything, working at our desk, brushing our teeth, doing kitchen work. So even if I just were to Stand on one leg as I'm brushing my teeth That counts? Yeah, because you brush your teeth for one to two minutes. That's a lot of training, obviously. Well, some days I don't know, dentistry. but Any amount of time works. Right? Just retrain your balance so that we don't have that fatal fall that we talked about retrain our balance. and then We need to keep our joints flexible. and you know, yoga pilates are great for that. Just stretching in your living room is great for that All in all in keeping our muscles out to length, our joints moving. And what is the fourth After you have walked or done your cardio. Yeah I want you to get your heart rate up. Okay. To build fitness, we have to challenge ourselves. So you can do that as simply as picking up your speed for thirty seconds And after thirty seconds y recovered. It's called Sprint intertervals. Okay. It's really remarkable for building overall fitness. So only thirty seconds and do it four times. Oh, wait, okay, I didt know four times' coming. So thirty seconds, four times, thirty seconds, completely recover and repeat it four times. Okay, but only do it at the end of your cardio so that you're warmed up Okay, so if I go on my walk then I can either sprint on the treadmill Print on the Trump, Any apparatus works. Okay You could swing a kettlebell and get your heart rate up to the max. You could do a rowing machine, a a treadmill. You could run between light posts on your street if you're so inclined. It's about your heart rate Okay, not necessarily the apparatus. Now, I'm going to be honest, I don't like this I was really excited when people started emphasizing and by people I mean you. Yeah resistance training. ' I'm like, great, I don't have to do cardio now 'use I don't like her. No, no, no, no, you must. The number one killer of women is heart disease. Wait, what? Yes Yes, we we We think that cancer is the number one killer of women, Almost globally, the number one killer of women is heart disease. And how does Srints thirty seconds four times. at the end of my walk, help me. By building cardiovascular fitness, which this does across a lifespan, it keeps our heart healthier, it increases something called the VO two max, which is a measure of our fitness. So Walking with a low heart rate is amazing for metabolism. Okay, but to really build cardiovascular health. we need to challenge it a little bit. So unless your doctor has told you not to raise your heart rate, We need to get our heart rate up And so Let me see if I can just understand this. So you've got the balancing Which helps with you preventing falls. Okay. You've got the stretching, which helps with flexibility and joints. You have the walking, which helps with mobility and metabis. You have resistance training, which is for your muscles, which is very important to keep your muscles like strong becauseing healthy, which in turn helps almost every organ system Got it. And then you've got these thirty second four times.ust sprinting. Sprinting and that keeps your heart healthy. It does, But don't think of it as five things. Think of the sprinting as the end of your walking a couple times a day. So I'm not add adding something to. I'm not adding o just doctor Vona right. Okay. But I can do that. I can do thirty seconds. Get your heart rady recovery for me is probably two to three minutes. Two to three minutes. Wow, okay Those four things as a way to start out, progressed from taking a walk A month later you're doing all four things is huge. It's monumental. thenen you can go and buy yourself some workout outfit. You don't even have to have the right clothes. Just put on your kids big t shirt and whatever, right? It doesn't have to be complicated. Well, and I also think if you have kids and they're teenagers or older. If you were to go to them and say, hey I've listened to this podcast of this orthopedic surgeon. I need to start taking care of myself. Would you help me Oh nice. Now you've got something where you can connect with them over it. They can show you a few simple things. You can rope them in on maybe helping you be motivated to walk Look how multifactorial that is. You don't have to go to the weird gym alone. Y. You're spending time with your kid They probably know what to do and they're going to be proud of you. Y. I mean, it's so multif factorial engage them I'm actually gonna to take my own advice. Because one of the things I've been practicing recently is hanging. Oh yeah. like Yeahah from a pull up bar 'cause I can't do a pull up. but my son can do he's like unb He can do so many pulls. strong. I'm going to ask him to help to help me learn how to do a pull up. Ill take the next step. And little does he know? I've set a trap. so he has to hang out with me. He does, because it's gonna take a minute Correct. It's going take a big minute for a number of months. Yeah. A lot of people hear the word exercise and immediately think pain.. It's too stiff. you know, and a lot of people do feel a lot of pain, whether it's arthritis or it's back pain or they have a replaced joint or they're just tight Exercise isn't for people like me What do you want to say to a person that feels that way, Dr. V? I understand where they're coming from. Pain is a huge deterrent. But what they don't understand is that stiff joints are painful joints. The stiffer you are, the more pain you're gonna be in. Wait, so if you're stiff already and you don't move, you're going to be in more pain and stiffer So The joints thrive on motion. We build more joint fluid by moving our joints. so that even if we're stiff Moving our joints will help us feel not stiff, not sitting down Think about if you're sitting in a car for long periods of time, your six hour truck, you know, you get out of the car and you're stiff and everybody's getting out of the car a little stiff. Well Moving makes that go away even if you have arthritis. So continue moving. The second reason we feel more pain with stiff joints or arthritis is because we don't have the muscle support above and below. For instance, when someone comes to me with knee pain first thing I do as I'm writing their notes is tell them we're going to get strong. We're going to get strong like a bull We're going to build our butt corn hip. Why? My joints hurt so that every time you take a step, it's not like putting a sledgehammer of two bones together. Muscle is shock absorbers. So we have less hard impact So move. buildu muscle to get strong. so you may not feel like it. Let's say walking on the road herds. Well, let's find a YMCA that has a hot pool They're like community resources with sliding scales for the fees, right? They all have warm pools. You just get into chest high water, Don't even get your hair wet Pile it off. I've got all listen, you cannot excuse me. I' gonna say there's nowhere too high You don't have to get your hair wet. G get in the chest high water. you just walk back and forth because the buoyancy will help your pain. You really want to get out of pain in seven days, you stop eating sugar of all kinds when people take my advice and stop adding sugar Read the label so you know how much added sugar is in all this processed food we eat drinking juice and eating the fruit instead. I'm not kidding you to a person When they come back, they're like, you know, my joints felt better in about seven days These are all really simple things. So even if you are in pain, it doesn't give you license to do nothing. One thing I would love to have you talk about is you speent a lot of time in your New York Times bestestseller unbreakable Teaching about The really magical impact that muscles have Yeah Because I think there's so much out there now about resistance training and getting more high quality protein in. But a lot of us don't understand why exactly medically speaking, resistance training is important. And I think as a woman for a long time, I resisted resistance training, no pun intended And I resisted and didn't want to eat a lot of protein because I was so afraid to bulk up. Yeah. But in reading unbreakable I learned so many new things about why muscles in particular are so important to healthy aging. Could you just break that down in a simple way? I think that it's an understandable position to not understand that what you see in the mirror is not the story What does that mean? What you see in the mirror in terms of how much muscle, what do your muscles look like bulking up or Or I look fine in my clothes. I don't need muscle. That's not the story The story of muscle is that It was designed as a metabolic engine. What does that mean? Metabolic engine It is important for locomotion without muscle You would just be a skeleton that didn't move. Just like without a skeleton, your muscle would just be a heap of tissue. So muscles are important for locomotion they're very important for glucose metabolism. When you eat carbs in particular, and your body breaks it down into glucose. It is your muscles. That work as a sink to that glucose so that it's not just all stored in fat So it's really critical Muscle itself contributes to your longevity. Muscle interacts communicates with bone to help build better bones. So what you see in the mirror o is not the story of muscle The story of muscle is the other jobs that it does in your body. So if you want to, walk around when you're eighty, ninety, a hundred be less prone to falls. you need muscle to do that. If you want to help control your metabolism Decrease your chance of getting diabetes or metabolic disease. We need more muscle, we need healthy muscle. If we want to burn more calories and Because many people are worried about gaining weight. We need more muscle. Muscle burns more calories just to live than fat does. Isn't? sitting around muscles burn more calories? Yeah, one hundred and twenty pound person, that's fifty percent fat will burn much less calories in a day just to live than one hundred and twenty pound person that has a twenty five percent body fat because of the different ratios of the tissue. So That's what I mean when we tell the story of muscle. It's critical, not for the way we look in the mirror. That's the bonus It is critical for the metabolic way that it helps our body function today and for the longevity it infers through protins in your body. Thank you for explaining that because I feel like you hear the words resistance training, you hear the words protein. without understanding The actual why of what muscles do for your overall health. Yeah I personally love feeling strong not weak, kind of ticks me off when I can't do something I want to do. So building muscle is a way to get to do what you want to do when you want to do it You know, I recently my husband Chris gave me a hug the other day and he said, Gosh, you really feel a lot stronger. That's nice. It was the sexiest compliment I think he' ever given me. I'll tell you Ever since I read Unbreakable and of course, since our last interview on this podcast, I have prioritized because of you, resistance training. That's great Lifting heavier Incline walking. Do you feel good Not only do I feel good, I feel incredibly strong. Yeah Also, because of you, I've prioritized high quality protein and it' so hard to get a lot of it in, but my entire body composition has changed. I love that. I have more energy Hi. cannot believe the difference that these little changes have made And I've also recognized how stupid it was to think that I would ever bulk up because the amount of lifting you need to do to actually get big. It's like a full time job. complepletely over decades. Yes.. Yes. Like what a joke that I thought that if I went to the gym and lifted heavy weights that I would get big. L I don't spend enough time there doing it and I don't lift enough weights to do it. And I never will.. But simply following this advice over it's only been six months since I've seen you a massive massive change and for my husband to hug me and say, God, you feel a lot stronger That's so great. Wow. Yeah I don't look ripped, but I am feel strong. Oh I feel like a different human being I always thought about taking care of myself so that I look good. and yes, I want to look good But there's a very different level of satisfaction that comes when you feel good in your body and you feel strong. and pays dividends for me anyway. I feel more energized. I have better focus. I'm not as bitchy to my family. Particularly with the protein. gettingting protein first thing in the morning, resistance training. It's changed my mood. Yes. Why are you saying yes? Is that like a known thing Well, no, because that happens to me. When I am well fed and strong and can do what I want to do It changes everything. I feel like I have reserves that I can draw on. Yes. You talked about that. soiologic reserves. What does that mean That means we you know, just like putting money in the bank, we have a little stockpile, physiologic reserves is having enough physical health, enough muscle, enough bone, enough Enough u cardiovascular fitness. that one cold isn't knocking us off the chair or one long travel stint is not just exhausting us for months. We continue to have enough reserve to draw on. And that only comes by building it. Well I will say I have always been an active person. I have never been a weightlifter. Yeah I'm only six months into this, and the transformation and how I feel from the inside out, thanks to you, has been life changing Thank you. In your New York Times bestestseller Unbreakable, I am looking at this entire chapter And you even have recipes in this book, but you have an entire chapter in your New York Times bestestseller chapter ten, Unbreakable Nourishment. and you write extensively about protein. As an orthopedic surgeon, will you just bottom line for us How much protein do you recommend that we get, especially as women because it's very, very confusing to support our growth of muscle, to support our normal metabolism I recommend zero point eight to one gram of protein per pound a day. The protein should be high quality protein, which means it contains the essential amino acids, including the most important one, leucine, which is the most powerful stimulant for muscle growth. So We need an absolute amount and we need high quality protein. When you say either.zero point eight grams or to one gram per weight Is it what you weigh now, what you want to weigh? Like how do you do? because that's like when I think about it that, I'm like, that's a lot of. That's a lot. So I know I get bulky for meing that much f. Yeah, no. I normally say the very minimums that muscle scientists talk about are about one hundred grams a day. a hundred grams a day. minimum. But if we're really growing muscle, point eight to one gram idedal pound. Most of us know ideally what we would want to weigh Or we do know because've had we've had a body composition and we know for the body percentage So it's not what we currently weigh, unless we're at our ideal weight. it's our ideal weight. Thank you for clarifying that I I have so many more questions, I need to hit the pause so that we can hear a word from our amazing sponsors. Don't go anywhere. We have so much more to cover with the extraordinary doctor Vona Wright when we return, so stay with me Again and again, there's this common thread. Women are busy. There's never enough time in a day. 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We're talking with the extraordinary doctor Vonda Wright, Her New York Times bestestseller is Unbreakable and she is a world renowned orthopedic surgeon, giving us all the research and her protocol to feel younger and stronger, starting exactly where you are You know, doror V, one of the things that you hear from patients is I don't want to be a burden as I get itor. Can you speak directly to the person that's either watching or listening and feels that way they're starting to get nervous about it. Yeah. So when someone is in my office and they say, I don't want to be a burden to my children, and yet they're sitting in front of me with terrible knee pain or they or they've come in for whatever reason. I know what they mean They mean that they have always been the independent person, the person who took care of everything held the glue of the family together. Usually it's women who say this to me They have always had it all together They see themselves in pain. They see themselves slowing down. They see themselves not the way that they were And they're getting afraid. I don't want to be a burden to the people that I love completely understand that because this person is used to being independent and they want to be viewed that way If you do not want to be a burden to those you love, then that requires action now It requires not wistfully hoping that you will never become a burden What can I do today? Even if it's as simple as, can I stop eating sugar today so that my joints don't hurt as much? so that I can get in the pool in chest high water and keep moving Do I not want to be a bird in the future so that I do some chair squats. People misunderstand me sometimes when I say, I need you to lift heavy I do need you to lift heavy If you are at a place where you just have trouble get off the couch, well, then let's just do that ten times in a row. Because remember what I started this with, there is never an age or skill level when your body will not respond to the positive stress. So If you don't want to be a burden to your children, But you see yourself In fear of getting there, well, let's start where we are And let's take some action get in front of it instead of just looking down the road in fear Does that make sense? Oh my gosh So much sense. But I can see how If you think that it's inevitable, you're not going to do anything and you're just going to sit with your fear and you're here with the research to say, no, your body is designed to respond and it will respond. And regardless of how frail you may think you are right now or whatever ended up happening to your mom or your grandmother, you can change this I just want to make clear We talk about longevity a lot. In this very point in the conversation, I'm not talking about living another hundred and twenty years I am talking about living the best every day that you have Right sitting in pain in a chair because you cannot or refuse to take the next step We need to choose what we can do and do it and not just sit and wait so that we feel better today. So that that will spur us to feel better tomorrow. pllugging in all the exercise and the things we talk about, you may live longer. But I want you to live better today. Oh, I love that. Yeah. I love that. You talk about something called the crritical dececades in your work. Can you explain what they are and why critical deccades matter so much, Dr. V Yes. so there was a paper that came out last year that looked at the inflection points of aging. Yeah. meaning when biologically Do we age rapidly And I think we were all surprised to read It happens according to this paper at forty four and sixty. ty four so there's two, forty four and six. Well two big inflection points, forty four and sixty. So for me, it divided our lives into critical decades, right If we start at the youngest critical decade. I call it thirty five to forty five. Okay. It is the decade in life When you're not a child anymore You have more access to choices. But you have all your hormones It is the decade to get your health standards together Let's figure out how to live, figure out how to eat, figure out how we're going to commit our lifestyle to the standards that will help us live in the future the way we're living today. That is a critical decade. And notice what happens at the end of that critical decade, the first inflection point of aging For women The next critical decade is this perimenopause decade. forty five ish to fifty, early fifties, when our estrogen is going out the door. Why does that happen? It's because our ovaries, which are not sex organs. They just happen to make estrogen, which is not a sex hormone Ovary aging is an emergenence science. that really informs us why women age differently. And it's because In men, we have a slow, steady decline one percent a year, right? So that's why when bros talk about longevity, it's a very different thing than for women longevity, meaning because we have a catastrophic decline and change and our ovarian Health Our release of estrogen, estrogen is such a critical hormone in every organ, it profoundly affects our aging process across the body. We know we lose muscle mass. We know we're going to lose bone density. We know we accumulate fat. We know our cartilage is highly responsive to estrogen, as are our muscle stem cells This is another critical decade that we cannot wait through to establish health standards. If we haven't started all the lifestyle behaviors before, let's start them now And let's make our hormone optimization decision so that if we choose to replenish our estrogen progesterone and testosterone, that we make that decision now And not wait until the next decade When we've already hit the second inflection point of sixty. Now hear me, people. Yeah, everybody over sixty is having a heart attack right now. So if you're past the critical decade and say again what the the critical decade means. these are moments when Th are inflection points. thirty five to forty five, you still have all your hormones. Let getet our standards going. They're going to make a huge difference right now forty five to early fifties, we're in perimenopause. We'reid more rapidly aging because of our ovarian aging that's happening and the role of estrogen. Once our ovaries have retired, gone It is never too late. you can still respond to lifestyle interventions. Sometimes it's just harder It doesn't mean don't try. It doesn't mean don't start. There are plenty of examples U commommonly now, all over the digital world of people picking up the mantle of I'm going to live better starting at sixty. There's never a time. Is it going to be harder than it was when you were thirty five? Sure. Okay, so what you're basically saying is if you're listening or you have people in your life that you love that are thirty five to forty four, send them this because they need to wake up because if they start making the changes. Now it's going to have a bigger impact on longevity because they still have all their hormones. It's a season of life. It's truly adulting. Yeah. If we're truly adulting and preparing for our adult life out of grad school, we're out of college, where hopefully have a job that's sustaining us. Well, let's do the next adult thing and figure out how to maintain our body for the rest of our lives, right? Yes. And it has a bigger impact long term. There's like a compound. and you know in banking, you put a little money away in the beginning and it compounds Think of it like that, we're building physiologic reserve that we get to draw from. But if we in our thirties are frail already What are we going to be doing for fifty more years, right So that's the first critical decade.ot it And then through the perimenopause time It's another critical time. to make these decisions, to get into these lifestyles, to start not treating our bodies like garbage disposals to make our hormone optimization decision. And then if we've gotten all the way to our sixties and we haven't started yet, it's okay. bodies will respond. Remember the research we talked about ninety year old people in nursing homes were responding to physical activity because our bodies are equipped if we're going to use the equipment, right? Got it. Got it. So the critical decades is really something to pay attention to because you maximize the return faster during those windows and especially the second critical decade from kindind of for like the perimenopause forty four is your women are losing hormones Doubling down then is important. but you haven't started before, double down then. Got it. and your body will respond even if you're in your sixties, seventies or eighties. Completely, Cpletely I am leaning in because I was so taken by the connection between women fracturing their hip and women having these low impact fractures and menopause and bone density. Yeah. And so Drter V, what do you wish every woman knew about Menopause Menopause is not to be feared If we step in front of it If we are lucky enough to live long enough Everybody born with XX chromosomes and therefore ovaries We'll go through it I am gonna be honest with you, it can be very hard if you are not prepared. But that's why I want us all to know what's going on. Menopause is a physiologic A hormonal A psychologic and a social transition Nothing will be the same, but it can be great or better. That's the framework I want people to know. What is menopause biologically? Well, it is the exhaustion of our ovaries. We are born Little girls are born with twoo ovaries that contain all the eggs they're ever going to have Those eggs are used. all through our cycling years until we have so few during perimenopause that we can't produce the estrogen that we once did. and it starts getting a little chaotic hormonally until skip ahead on average depending on who you are fifty one, fifty two, your ovaries are just done. They're no longer producing any eggs. Therefore no estrogen from the egg follicle and you're post menopausal, right? That's what menopause is Everything we feel from our brains to our hearts, to our bones, to everything, ourur mood, I don't feel like myself is due to the alteration in estrogen load. It's such a critical hormone in our body It doesn't mean life's over. When it stops, it just means life's different. And what I encourage women to do is not just to take the attitude that I hear a lot, which is Women tell me they have a really high pain tolerance. And they're just gonna to suffer through it and I ask, why do you have to suffer through it? Why do we incultpurate women Bear suffering Why is that our lot in life When there are things we can do to feel better Right? That is another common thing women say to me is that they're used to the suffering. So when it comes to menopause, Some women say, I'm just going to cut through this. Some women say, I didn't really feel that bad But even if women say I don't feel that bad, they can't perceive the physiologic changes that are happening like loss of bone density Loss of muscle mass people to understand that whole picture It's a physical, psychological, social and hormonal transition is natural We are all meant to do it. It's not that we did anything wrong. It's not that we're not trying hard enough the way we are designed I'm just struck by your observation as a physician of how often you hear women. say that they're going to suffer through it every day. I've clinics every Tuesday and Thursday everyvery day without fail People say that to me And I wonder why Listen, I'm a sports doctor I get being in pain. I get it, right? I take care of athletes. We're in pain all the time But it's different these women say to me is not pain of of blowing out their ACL or being tackled in a football field. What these women are saying to me is that their body hurts And they're just going to live with it and for years. So I just want to know why we accept that. I don't have an answer to that. Why do we inculturate our girls to accept that The only thing that popped into my head is I wonder if it has anything to do with the pain associated with childbirth and the expectation that you're just gonna have to bear it and then live through it. Yes I think you may be right, right? For some women, their periods hurt. We know predictably We're just gonna to bear it And then we' we're not going to talk about it publicly every week. I mean, every month for the thirty years you have your period. And then childbirth hurts H And then so maybe it's just another phenomenon we're going to live through, but when it becomes limiting when it becomes a reason not to live with hope for the future when it becomes a reason not to seek out the kind of lifestyle and hormonal and all the other interventions that could possibly help you live to the capacity you were created to live I think it's not useful What do you say to somebody that's sitting across from you as a patient that just says, I'm just going to suffer through it Well, I respect their autonomy in doing that. I if that's what they want to do, I'm not here to berate them for making that choice, but but I ucate way to think about it. Yes. And yes, exactly. I educate them that it doesn't have to be this way. Here's Here's all the resources in my office I hand write notes for everyone I send them home. likeike if you were my patient, I would have been writing our conversation notes here because that slows down the conversation. It gives them something to walk away with that's not a photocopy. But I will give them multitudes of solutions to how to not be in pain. And they can choose to follow these or not. They have agency. They can be their own gate if they want But I think it's a life changing Mindset switch to consonsider the possibility as a woman in particular. And you may be thinking about your mother. You may be thinking about your grandmother, you may be thinking about your sister someone in your life, your wife who has been suffering through it and thinks that's just the way that it is. I think it's a life changing perspective shift to imagine a world where You don't have to suffer through it. There is help. There are things you can do that you deserve to not suffer through it. Well, listen, Mel, in my own story, I suffered through perimenopause. I didn't, you know, I'm a longevity researcher. You would have thought I would have known. but it was so long ago, we weren't talking about it, right How much time did they dedicate in either your training as a nurse oncologist or in medical school to menopause? I don't remember ever talking about it I don't. And in fact, I know the data. That's not uncommon. you know, So we're at a real crisis point in this country with finding people who even know how to talk about women's health across the lifespan. because I don't believe it's just the obB's responsibility. I believe it's every doctor's responsibility to know enough to at least direct in the right direction and not just say, oh, you're just getting old, which I think is a complete cop out. That is not caring for people. Look how mad I get. That is not caring for people. I love it when you get mad. That's a cop out In my own perimenopause, I suffered, but if I would have left it there, I wouldn't be sitting here today. I would not be feeling like I'm on top of the world because I took the time to say I am suffering and I don't want to feel this way. So what do I need to know? Who do I need to find you know, I got to dig to the end of the earth to find the resources And I did that by taking action. I guess the central theme of our discussion today is you can sit there and let time happen to you, or you can take action and make the choices that are going to make you live in the way you envision. Well, I have somebody I love very deeply who has the mindset that I'm just going to suffer through it and I'm sending this to her as soon as we are done editing this episode because I hope you can her mind to a different future. And I'm sure as you're listening or watching right now, you have someone in mind who suffers through it, and this episode is a gift you can give to them to consider a different possibility Dr. V, how does menopause change how you want us to think about exercise, strength, training, recovery. I think it adds a sense of urgency to it. We know How much muscle bone tendedly we're going to lose. We know. We know that the future that I see in the emergency room of women laying frail in a bed with with a broken hip We know that happens a lot So for women in menopause, the messaging of now is the time, even if you've never paid attention to yourself before. If you were overrun with oxytocin and you took care of everybody but yourself You don't have as much estrogen right now, so you're not going to have as much oxytocin. So now is the time This sense of urgency, it's now or never people And that's not true. It's not never, but it's now. What is holding us back? Why can't we step across the threshold of caring about ourselves in the way that we've always cared about other people Right is that? and maybe Mel That takes a little bit of work pping back of reflection of what is keeping me from taking care of myself Do the thing because it's not motivation. Motivation lasts about thirty two seconds, you know or twenty one days according to the resolution people. It's not that. it has to be a deep abiding belief that you are worth it, that you are worth the investment that The future can be hopeful It's a mindset shift, right the actions will follow. Well, what's interesting is you have a lot of daughters coming in saying I don't want to turn out like my mom and there's an opportunity for you as the mom to go, I don't want to model this for my daughters. Oh, such a good point, Mel. Exactly across their lifespan, right? How do our children learn How to be healthy They watch us, right? And so If you're a midlife woman and you're in a position that you have twenty five and thirty, like both of us, we have daughters in this. I have w daughters and three daughters in law all in this age group. They are very self motivated, but let's say they were watching me to say, how could it be, Do I have to suffer? I can model for them vibrance and energy and doing really hard things and acting now as I have my whole life, or I could model for them gettingting weaker and sadder and not being able to do what I've always done that the family has enjoyed, right? And therefore giving them hope for the future That's the real gift Mal truly and your granddaughters and your grandson. I love that shift in perspective. as an orthopedic surgeon, What are your thoughts on HRT My thoughts on HRT as an orthopedic surgeon are that Number one Everyone gets to make their own choice. We're not gonna to put this on you, but you must make this choice from facts not fear and that includes knowing the data. And if you have to dig deep and read the studies that are now everywhere, or if you just want to be told what to do The guidelines that the medical societies put out like the Menopause Society are very clear They're in layman's language. Find the information. number one. Number two, if you don't want to end up frail in a hospital bed with a broken bone, low muscle mass, fat everywhere, unable to live the life you envision, well then let's consider adding estrogen, progesterone and testosterone to the toolbox of your lifestyle interventions. It is a critical part of lifestyle intervention I just think you need to make the decision conscientiously Not out of fear you Do you have a concern because there's a tremendous amount of misinformation out there about it concern. I just think that certainly, in the era where any computer can generate an AI image of me saying whatever they want it to say, But you have to be responsible for the information you take in, right Yeah So Eercise that responsibility, read the original book, just dig a little deeper You're worth that curiosity, right It changed my life And I had a lot of unfounded fear about it because of all the reports that have been reversed and come to find out that if if it's a safe option, which it is for the vast the majority majority of people. And now that I understand the connection to bone density Yeah and the implications, I'm like, why wouldn't you, if it's safe for you, like if it's safe for you, why wouldn't you, right? It's still your choice, but if it's safe for you which it is for most people, why wouldn't you? But even if we're talking about