Seeking Justice for the Victims

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I'm Bread And I'm Alice And we are the prosecutors Today on the Psecutors. A lone gunman held the entire province of Nova Scotia in fear as he went on a thirteen hour killing spree, claiming the lives of twenty two victims. How could something like this happened Hello everybody and welcome to this episode of The Prosecutors. I'm Brett. and I'm joined as always by my Sanchi co host Alice I don't know what that means, but it sounds delicious You know, I'm not really sure how close that was That was from. AP or RPI. I don't who knew how to pronounce RP's name. Sorry, RrPP. He is Armenian and that means Oh addmirable Oh, that's a beautiful word It's not so many Armenian speakers probably listening to the podcast, so I'm probably pretty safe, but I I think I got it really wrong this one. You know what? It's kind of like if a tree falls in a st Did it fall if no one hears it? Same with Armenian. It does, it matters. It always matters. That's why we mispronounce everything. We really are bad. We are so bad. but it's really not out of malice. It's out of sheer stupidity. It's true. It's true. It's funny because every now and then I'll read someone I'll like, hey You know, I'm looking for new podcasts. I was this one. I didn't like the fact they kept mispronouncing things. And I was like you're not gonna to like us. You're not gonna recommend us, then that' a bad one.' get a free pass because of your accent I'll be like that guy didn't know even how to say penguins. Exactly, Eactly. That's what I get. Anyway. Well, that's the last time you're going to laugh today. That's true. It's true. This is a brutal case we're gonna talk about. I feel like we've been saying that more and more at the beginning cases, which just need to stop You know always how terrible the casees is going to be. And Every time we talk about the podcast or what we do, one of the most asked questions is How do you decide what to do next or you know do you ever run out of cases? And the answer is no, because you crazy people keep committing crazy crimes. And when I say you people, I obviously don't mean you, unless it's you, in which case, turn yourself in now. Exactly. And I'll say this, this one was recommended to us. It's been recommended to us several times We were talking a few episodes ago about how it's fairly rare for someone to fake being a police officer And people recommended this case. They're like, hey, there's one, where exactly that happened. We're going to talk about that. Canada, we're going back to Canada, Nova Sotia, which I hear is beautiful. I've never been. I would love. to go to Nova Scotia. And normally when you think about Nova Scotia, you're thinking beautiful, right? Anne of Green Gables is from Nova Sotcha Right In this case, we're going to talk about Z completely out of character in this part of Canada and one of those things that I think People know about this case, but it happened right in the heart of COVID and the COVID pandemic. And I think as awful as this is, it almost got not swept under the rug. It's nothing nefarious like that, but overshadowed by international events And let me just set the stage. If you haven't been to Nova Scotia, it really is probably one of my favorite places Eth because it is It's not so much remote, but it just seems utterly peaceful. There are just these vast open spaces. It's not overcrowded. It's air is fresh and clean. There's greenery everywhere. Like Bret said, one of my favorite childhood books and of Green Gables is set in Prince Edward Island of Nova Scotia. You can drive along the coast and it feels otherworldly because it's so peaceful which is why this story is just so immensely striking because it is in stark contrast to what most people think of when they think of Nova Sotia, which is Pace and beauty And I promise Canadians there. seconde largest group of people to listen to podcast. We don't pick these cases just because we want to attack The Royal Canadian Mounted police I grew up with like Dudley Dew Wright and other Mounty stuff And I like mounties and they're cool and they got the cool red uniforms and the horses and everything. But man, it seems like every case we talk about in Canada, the RCNP just comes off terribly and you're going to see that again in this case. I mean this is a horrific. But one thing that is so striking about it is how long It lasted And how poorly The threat was communicated to the people of Nova Scotia and Canada. So that is one thing we're definitely going to talk about. So Canadians don't get mad at us. Yes, Prince Edward Island is the province bordering Nova Scotia, but one of the most famous stories is right there. so you can They are literally touching each other for the rest of us Americans who haven't been up there. We know they're different provinces, but to put you in this otherworldly place because Prince Edward Island is described in so much detail in Anne of Green Gables that it should give you an idea of where we are here. The people made Prince Edward Island an entire province unto itself? It's kind of wild. the smallest province. It's the smallest province. It's like eight think I got eleven Maybe eleven. I don't know Anyways, I I was like an asterress before you give us a one star review. We know, but we're also living in a literary land. They're always like coming after us. That's fine though. because we the Canadians. luck you That's true. I mean crazy cases We cover Canadian cases almost as much as we do American cases. and we're back again. so let's talk a little bit about where we're going, the small oceanside province of Nova Scotia It's known for its picturesque views, delicious seafood, focus on maritime life, beautiful place. Eone should visit. I would love to go maybe one day I can come visit and Nova Scotia. B to Cana for, but never Nova Scotia. But as we were saying in April of twenty twenty This really wonderful place would become known for something much darker, the deadliest Mass killing in modern Canadian history. This all began on april eighteenth, twenty twenty when a man named Gabriel Wortman would leave his home in Porta Pique I don't know if that's right, but sounds right. sounds good. And begin a thirteen hour killing spree that would span one hundred and fifty five kilometers It's ninety six point three miles for the Americans out there. and claim the lives of twenty two Though his motive the attack has never been made clear and we'll talk about that more as we get into the details. The fifty one year old denturist had a long history of violent behavior and troubling beliefs. Wortman grew up in an abusive household with an angry violent father, which is something we so often see in cases like this. and he continued this pattern of behavior in his adult life And he was known as a paranoid and abusive man And in fact, in two thousand, he actually beat his father until he was unconscious. although it doesn't appear that any charges were filed in this Matter. He was it done? Two years later He would plead guilty to assaulting a teenager. In twenty thirteen, he was in trouble again for saying he wanted to kill a cop That same year, a neighbor reported to the RCMP The warman was harassing him that he was abusive to his common law wife and he was in possession of illegal guns. So he was someone who was on the RCMP radar for a very long time. and had exhibited a lot of violent behavior and had access to firearms So Wartman's troubling behavior didn't end with violence. He was also a survivalist and believed that no one in authority could be trusted and that society's institutions were collapsing So this sounds not unlike we've covered in other cases. In the United States, Brett and I have dealt with sovereign citizens, slightly different, but essentially they do not recognize the power of any sort of government. They are their own entity, which ends up being very dangerous, especially when mixed with violent tendencies So warman doesn't acknowledge basically any government authority because In his mind, it's all collapsing. Now, this is obviously made worse because april twenty twenty, what are we in We're just one month into utter shutdown from the COVID nineteen pandemic when there was a lot of unease, a distrust of the government, distrust of medicine, distrust of all sorts of things. And it did feel like the world was ending Now, this pandemic strengthened this belief for him and it served as evidence that he was right about the world, that everything was in fact crumbling, and it was survive or be ended So there were several red flags leading up to the april twenty twenty massacre. In the weeks prior Wartman bought and stockpiled food, water, weapons, ammunition, and gasoline toally I think a lot of people were doing this in twenty twenty. and so in hindsight, we see this as incredibly troubling because what he did. But I mean, I bought a lot of toilet paper, for example. I didn't buy gasoline. I also didn't buy ammunition, but there was a lot of talk of that markets are going to crash. It's not clear what our mode of currency is going to be. so This is almost the perfect story because Normally, if your neighbor stockpiling food and water and weapons, you'd say like Whoa, dude, what's going on? But we were in the middle of the pandemic and there was a run on different types of supplies. I basically did all these things. I know. I mean, I mean Ially The two of us, I actually remember, we bought freezers uring this time to freeze a bunch of food. I remember this because we were both like, Hey, Costco has these freezers on sale and we both got freezers and I bought half a cow. Now, to be totally fair, I continue to buy half cows because my children eat so much food. I remember you said in your basement, you had like buckets of Rice and stuff like that. we all did. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. This was I don't know, I say it's unfortunate timing, but it may this could be part of the trigger, like you said. I mean, he's always been on edge, he's always been paranoid. he's always been somebody who's prone to do something like this. and then COVID happens. and whereas many of us went a little overboard, you know, I bought like buckets of freeze dried food. And I did get another gun. I got more ammunition just in case got the water You know took out a bunch of money from the bank. At least has some cash if it's worth anything. if everything collapses. Yeah, I mean A lot of us did this and a lot of us freaked out a little bit. But we were not pred to think Wow, this is the end of the world He obviously took this to and extreme Yeah, and Honestly like Brett, he even liquidated many of his assets. He took out funds from the bank and he put almost half a million dollars, four hundred seventy five thousand dollars in cash in fireproof containers at one of his properties But even with these red flags, no one could have predicted the atrocities that would follow. I mean, Bret's case in point But I did all those things He did not go on to mask her dozens of people Yeah. And I mean, it's one of those And we're going to talk about this a lot What drive someone To do something like this and the fact that it goes on for so long, I struggle with these cases and I do the same thing I love you do which is try and figure out why and ask questions about what could drive somebody do this and what could the possible motive be and all those things? And we always tell you that's a fool's errand It's really hard though not to think about these things and as we're going to see, it seems like the trigger for this is quite ordinary Not going to say it's benign, but it's the sort of thing you see all the time. But frankly This sort of thing that often leads to extreme outburst of violence. So that takes us to april eighteenth, twenty twenty. This message is sponsored by Greenlight. Guys, if you've been listening to us, you know every true crime story has got money somewhere in the mix. Maybe it's the motive Maybe it's the pressure. Maybe it's the moment. everything goes wrong. And the fact of the matter is the lack of financial literacy is what makes people, especially kids and teens easy targets for fraudsters. Well, that's where Green Lot comes in. Green Light is a debit card and app for families, but it's more than a money tool. 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Get a quote in as little as eight minutes at progressivecommercial d. comot Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates and third party insurers, coverag is not available in all states or for all vehicles and coverage selections It's in the evening. Portopeak residents, Gabriel Wortman and his common law wife Lisa Banfield attend a party where they are heard having a loud argument They leave and return to their nearby home where the argument sort of continues, but then Lisa goes to bed Shortly before ten PM. So this happens in the evening. She goes to bed Well, apparently Wartortman is notot only stewing in his rage, but he's preparing to do something about it. It wrap for ten PM when Wortman, who has now dressed himself in an RCMP uniform Wakes Lisa He is armed with four firearms, a Ct law enforcement grade carbine rifle which it looks a lot like an AR fifteen, which you guys are probably familiar with A Ruger Mini fourteen rifle, similar deal, a Glock GMBA semi automatic pistol, and a Ruger P eighty nine semi automatic pistol. So he has two rifles and two pistols He orders Lisa to go outside and he's firing shots at her feet. as she went. And I even wonder about this because Where we live, where I grew up You hear gunshots all the time. Where I grew up, it was more because people were hunting or shooting or doing whatever. Where I live now, it's more because people are committing crimes. I wonder if Port de Peque is the kind of place where you just hear gunhots because he's already firing out shots. Now, he's not shooting her but he's shooting at her feet. Like this is some like bizarre western or something He pulls off her shoes and he drags her by the hair and pushes her into the back of a decommissioned RCMP vehicle. which he has purchased from a federal government auction site, which I have lots of questions about later on. But so he makes Dentures That's his job He's not a cop But he's got this RCMP uniform and he has this decommissioned vehicle, which apparently looks just like an RCMP active cruiser, which is a real problem. I don't really know I feel like that should illgal, but I don't know's just me He then at this point douses their home, garage and his truck with gasoline and sets it all on fire Now at this point Lisa saves her own life. She's able to escape the vehicle and she runs into the nearby woods. to hide. If she hadn't done that, she absolutely would have been killed. And thankfully, there was a concerned neighbor, Lisa McCully, who calls nine hundred and eleven after seeing the fires. And she went across the street to check on her neighbors where Gabriel shot and killed her. So No good deed goes unpunished. She's just like, o Oh my goodness, my neighbor's house is on fire. She goes over to check. But as soon as Gabriel sees her, she is shot by him. And this is why what Bret said is totally true. Lisa was going to be killed. Maybe he was going to torture her a little bit more because I can't think of how horrifying it was to be told to march outside while being shot at. She didn't know whether those bullets would hit her.'s actually incredible that none of them ricocheted off and hit her. But Lisa wasn't so lucky. She dies. So McCully had two young children who were asleep at her home This is devastating because She was just going to check on a neighbor and her kids are asleep at home, but knowns to them their mom is dead Gabriel had previously had a dispute over some property with McCully, but it's not like they were actively fighting in that moment. And as you're going to see, this begins with peopleeople he knows and maybe has some slight disagreements with But it's going to spiral out from beyond that as well. I mean, Gabriel Wartman, I mean, he clearly That rage inside of him, something has snapped and he is now at this point just He has lost it. It is sad. I mean, all these are sad, but You have someone who clearly is just concerned. She's called nine hundred eleven and she's going over to try and help. She's there to help. And what does he do? He shoots her and kills him So Gabriel, dressed in that RCMP uniform, jumps into his RCMP decommissioned vehicle, and he drove to the home of another pair of neighbors, Greg and Jamie Blair. There, he shot and killed Greg outside as Jamie ran back into the home barricading her and her children in a bedroom. From there, Jamie called nine hundred eleven and reported the shooting while holding the door shut with her body Meanwhile, Gabriel shot into the room that point A bullet strikes Jamie and kills her. Her kids are terrified and they run from their home to the McColey's home where they hid with the McCoy children. This is just like Devastating beyond devastating. Both kids don't even totally know if they both know that both of their parents have died, but they arere huddled together in absolute terror. And it is like it's like a horror movie. Honestly, getting into the RCMP's reaction, sometimes you watch horror movies and stuff like this is happening and you think, man, this is so unrealistic. The police would be there immediately. Well as you're going to see, I mean, at this point, he set the house on fire. He shot and killed one person who called nine hundred eleven, He shot and killed somebody else The wife calls nine hundred one, she's now shot and killed. He then goes to the home of Frank and Don Galuchin, where he shoots and kills them both. and then he sets fire to their home. at which when another couple living nearby see the blaze, they called nine hundred and eleven. So now the authorities have received At least three different nine hundred eleven calls. They've got calls of people have been shot and killed. They got calls that various buildings are on Fire. This sounds like war He just of like the terrorist attack, right So then they get in their car to see if they could go assist. They see an RCMP vehicle and they're like, Oh, the police Unfortunately, Gabriel Warman's in that RCMP vehicle. They pull up beside him. They see that he's the driver. They realize they know him. A at this point he fires two shots into their car. He hits Frank But they're able to speed away and survive. He then continues on killing a retired couple Peter and Joy bond and all this has happened in like a twenty minute span. I mean, this is just wild insanity is taking place in this tiny little town And the insanity continues. So now about twenty minutes later, ten hundred one PM, Clinton Ellison, who's visiting his father in Porta Peak, calls nine hundred eleven to let them know that he heard gunshots and seize fire. While Clinton calls nine hundred and eleven, his brother Coreory Ellison goes outside to see what's going on When Clinton hangs up the phone, he goes outside to check on Corey And to his horror, Coreory is dead in the road Clintton runs into the nearby woods and hides for four hours. This is like a zombie movie, except the zombie is Wartman going around killing people Now meanwhile, Gabriel continues onto the home of the Tuck family where he kills Joolen, Oliver, Eron Tuck, and their teenagage daughter Emily Elizabeth Joanne Thomas and John Zal were also killed, the last of the Puortapeque victims. I mean he is just mowing down all of his neighbors. He's like going down the road, killing everyone in his path. And the sad part about this is this sounds like Nova Scotia Everyone is so close knit in the sense that when they see a fire, they call nine hundred eleven. They don't just do that. they walk outside to see if they can help because they're all neighbors. And by doing that Basically everyone who tries to help is shot and killed or barely gets away with their lives So at ten twenty six, only about thirty minutes after this starts. the RCMP arrives in Portapeak And they find a horror scene bodies, burning structures They're able to find Frank. you remember Frank who'd been shot. He comes up to them. He's been shot in the shoulder The other bullet that was fired in the car actually grates his forehead And he's able to tell them that the shooter is Gabriel Wartman and that he was driving an RCMP vehicle. So at this point Thirty minutes into this whole thing. the RCMP knows It's Gabriel Warman is doing this and he has access to an RCMP vehicle, and he's engaging in extreme violence shootings. burning down houses. I mean, this is a real danger At ten thirty five, a resident spots a vehicle driving through a field This was Wartman who was leaving the town of Porta Peak via a dirt road next to a blueberry field Sometime after, more officers are beginning to arrive and they're working to establish a perimeter and they're searching homes and they're trying to use dogs to locate the killer. They believe He's still there. So they're setting up roadblocks, trying to shut off the community Unnaware that he has Left. via this dirt road and he's no longer there. So they're starting to show up in force, but the person they're looking for is So at eleven twelve PM, a little over an hour after this killing spree starts, Wartman continues east to the community of Det, where he spent the next six hours parked in an industrial area At eleven thirty two, Nova Scotia RCMP tweet that they are responding to firearms complaint in Porta Peak. They ask people in the area to remain in their homes with their doors locked Honestly, a tweet is probably the best way to reach a lot of people here. Now, they would not publicly address the situation again for eight hours point like you set off like a storm alarm just to be like, everyveryone stay inside. I don't know. I mean, honestly, at this point, I would have done everything I would have used every form of communication would because he clearly was not leaving anyone Unharmed Now I understand, you don't to cause a panic, whatever, but this guy worthy. You don't know where he is A lot's happening and they had a lot of time. Yes, initially this was a very quickly developing situation and there's all sorts of fog of war and it's really hard to come up with what should we do But they're not going to address us again for eight hours. He's like hanging out for six hours parked in this industrial area, probablyrob expecting police are going to come at him at any time He's probably thinking I'm going to fight it out right here. When the police come and get me, we're going to have a shoot out right here. this obviously is going to be severely criticized. Tweeting about it is the only way they communicated and they did it A firearms complaint. I mean, if I saw that, that's a murder complaint. This is a murder complaint. Yeah, I mean that wouldn't make me think anything, but that's what they do. and that's how they choose to address it. So during this time, police were going door to door checking for victims and survivors as well as for the gunmen. In total, they found seven separate places in a five square kilometer area teen victims are found dead Oh my goodness. I mean, this is just again, this is like akin to a zombie apocalypse They also confirmed that Wartman was the shooter and they were able to discover that he owned three properties in that area They also uncovered that Wortman owned several replica police vehicles and was in possession of multiple firearms. With his criminal record? First of all, why are they selling their decommissioned vehicles that are not obviously not police vehicles, but second, why are you selling them to a guy who has such a violent record Yeah. I mean So in the United States in most jurisdictions And I don't, I mean, as you're going to see Seems like this was a fairly convincing replica You can buy the old police cars, but they're stripped of all their, you know, markings and everything else. It's usually illegal to have Red and blue lights On a vehicle. You know, usually it's like ultimas souped up Ultimas with like running lights. that get stopped for that. But neverthess, you're not supposed to have red or blue lights. So I don't know. Aarently in Canada, that was a big deal. Now the firearms are all illegally owned He gotten those illegally. I don't know if they knew about it, but they'd been warned about it. They just hadn't taken action. But once again, okay, you're finding all this. seemeems like this is a good time to warn everyone in the area. There's a guy. with an RCMP police vehicle and a bunch of guns and he is shooting up the area. He's already killed thirteen people He's setting a whole bunch of stuff on fire If you're ever going to have like all hands, this is the time. This is not just there was a shooting downtown. I don't understand why this wasn't the highest possible emergency for them As someone in the chat said, you know, if somebody breaks out of prison, you get more of a warning than you do with this, but it just seems like There was just nothing. So You know warman, he's been hanging out for like a long time. So now we're into april nineteenth. It's close to six o'clock in the morning And he leaves this industrial area where he hadd been hiding. He's in his fake RCNP vehicle and he is now heading North At six thirty, he sald a video entering the Wentworth area, which is about sixty kilometers from Porta Peak in forty kilometers from D Bertt He proceeded to the home of a couple he knew Alma Jenkins and Sean McLloyd He shot and killed them He also killed their neighbor, Tom Bagley. Now Why did he do this The only thing we really know is that Sean And Wortman had previously gone hunting together. so they had some very limited connection but it was enough that he goes to their home, kills both of them and kills the neighbor. He stays in the house for some time, but he will ultimately set it on fire and leave heading South. Yeah, you know what the way this like timeline is going, It really did sound like he W onnpree did it really fast because expecting to be stopped by the police and then waits for the police for a shootout. And when it doesn't happen, he's like, well, I guess I'll keep shooting firstirst set really did kind of come out of the blue. but that second set when he starts at five forty three in the morning just seems devastating because He had already killed thirteen people, you would think that he'd be able to be stopped and He's not done yet because at six hundred thirty Lisa Banfield, who's Wartman's common law wife. rememember she had run for her life and hid in the woods. She stayed there basically all night. and at six thirty, she emerges from the woods and she calls nine hundred eleven. She confirms with police that he is wearing heing. Wartman is wearing an RCMP uniform and has a replica RCMP vehicle and multiple guns. At this point, the police had figured it out, but she is just I mean, she's terrified. And she doesn't probably know what time it is. She finally comes out If they had any doubts it was Wartman, they have no doubts now. They have his own common law wife who was the subject of the first attack telling them he is dressed, he is armed. he is in an RCMP dec commommissioned vehicle At eight hundred two, the Nova Scotia RCMP shares another tweet stating that there was an active shooter in Porta Peak Unfortunately, by this point, Wartman was sixty kilometers away in Wentworth. So this tweet would have been really helpful that night because he was still kind of in the Porta Peak area. but Really now, the danger is in Wentworth with Wning Around the same time, a series of nine hundred and eleven calls come from the Hunter Road area And they're about fire and gunshots again. When I get that, even though if I don't know for sure, I'm sending out all the alarms and say, Probably suspected active shooter in a Hunter Road area in Wetworth. Everyone stay inside But that doesn't happen I only tweet about it again because Twitter is apparently the only if this werent such a serious case I would make a joke about like Pony Express with the RCMP, but They've just chosen Twitter as their only way of communicating with anyone It's nine o'clock in the morning now. they release a photo of Wortpman on Twitter They warn that he is armed and dangerous. They confirm there have been multiple victims, but they don't go into any specifics. A aroundround nine twenty three Wartman finally leaves Wentworth. It' about three hours after he arrived He's now had a southbound. downown highighway four When he shoots and kills Lillian Campbell Highlop, who was just a woman walking down the highway. So she literally is just walking down the highway. he rides by shoots her kills her, keeps going. Someone calls nine hundred eleven to report the shooting. At nine hundred forty eight, just five minutes later, Wartman arrives in the Glen home area and she knocks on the door of a residence on Highway four. The residents don't open the door inst said they call nine hundred eleven to alert authorities that Wartman is there He leaves when they don't answer the door, and by not answering the door, their lives are saved at ten hundred eight The shooter, under the disguise of an RCMP officer, pulls someone over heading northbound on Highway four back towards D Bert So before he was just shooting people he knew, now he is actively impersonating an RCMP officer When he pulls this person over, he shoots and kills the driver of the vehicle who's Kristen Beaten she traragically was pregnant with her second child at the time He then shot at a vehicle that was driving by and that shot kills Heather O'Brien. Yeah. I mean, like I said I can't believe this case isn't more well known. I vaguely knew about it. the Vegas way and I I can only imagine that was because of COVD because the stuff that happens in this is nightmarished to the point of if this were in a movie, you would say this is so over the top And so the time it's unbelievable. I mean He's pulling the lady over, He's shooting her, someone's driving by. It's like out of the terminator or something. shooting her, she's driving by It's just Horrific. So at ten seventeenh, the RCMP tweet yet again that the shooter is wearing an RCMP uniform and driving a replica RCMP vehicle I don't know why this wasn't included in the first tweet because that would be one of the most alarming things to me in addition to knowing that he's already killed thirteen people back before midnight they now let people know, okay, not only staying inside your houses, but also There's this guy who's impersonating a police officer out there. Okay. So at around ten forty nine AM, two RCMP officers, Costable Heidi Stevenson and constable Chad Morrison arrange to meet in the town of Shuba Nakadi Jash think's pretty close to the greatrect pronunciation. so give me some credit. whereere highighway two meets highway to twenty four So They're gonna meet whereere these two highways intersect So if you're writing the movie What would you have happened So Morrison sees this is how convincing the RCMP car is that he's driving, the replica. Morrison Chad, he sees an RCMP vehicle coming. it pulls up next to him. He believes it's Stavvenson But it's not It's the gunman who opens fire Now Morrison manages to escape He's injured and he notifies disispatched that he's been shot at this point Wartman leaves. He starts driving south on highighway two. And Stevenson I don't know exact and we'll never know exactly how this goes down. But she actually collides with his vehicle. I kind of feel like she has probably heard over dispatch what happened to Morrison and realizes that's him So she is like, well, I'm going to take out his car at least. So she collides with his vehicle Unfortunately, he's able to shoot her and kill her At this point, a good Samaritan, Joey Weber, is driving by and sees these two RCMP vehicles have wrecked into each other. so he stops to see if he can help and of course, he is shot and killed. So at this point Wartman lights his cruiser and Stehvenson's vehicle on fire. So he lots their cars on fire and he gets in Joey Webber's car and drives off. The only good thing about this and this is because of Cosable Heidi Stevenson sacrifice. at least now, he's no longer in that replica RCMP vehicle So at eleven hundred six AM, the RCMP tweets that the shooter has changed vehicles and is believed to be driving a silver SUV and traveling southbound on Highway one hundred two. Around the same time, Wartman arrives at the home of Gina Goulet in Shubanakadi, whom he knows, he also shoots and kills her this point so he's changed cars, now he changes clothes, and he steals her mazda three At eleven twenty four, the RCMP that the shooter is now driving a chehevy tracker Now this turns out to be incorrect, of course, because he's in the Maazda three Now, at this point, they're being much more proactive. Hard to blame them for errors here because he's changing cars and everything else But The good news is at around eleven twenty five, he pulls into an Irving gas station an infield. at this point because once again This is a movie. This is like evidence that we live in a simulation or something tactical officers who are looking for him Well, they are out of gas. so they need some gas They pull into the same gas station. to fuel their vehicles. So this is literally like his cars at the pump A whole bunch of tactical officers roll up. Get out. They're putting gas in their vehicle And one of them notices that the guy sitting in the other car at the gas station has blood on his head. At this point they realize That's the guy we're looking for. They approach the vehicle. Wartman raises his gun and they waste no time. He does that. They light him up And he is killed. And at this point, his horrific thirteen hour killing spree has come to an end, though not before he traveled at least one hundred fifty five kilometers and killed twenty two people. You know what's shocking about this is There are like so few misses. He basically misses like two people he shoots at don't die. E everyverybody else is dead on and he kills them. And that is frightening because he is not only violent, he is accurate and he is good at what he does. He kills one person just driving by You're right. I don't know. I guess he spent a lot of time practicing with those guns. I was gonna say this is not this shows like all the premeditation and the planning it takes because Even the best shooters are not this accurate. R? This is immense And look, I mean, I know As we said in the beginning I know everybody's out there is thinking You know, why did he do this? What could possibly lead to someone taking these kind of actions? Why did he kill all these people It's a question we ask ourselves in so many of the cases we covered. Now obviously, you, he's not like Julia Beverly, right? I mean, she does something horrible. She has no prior history of violence. and so that makes that a little bit more difficult to understand the family dynamic probably gives you a lot of insight. Here, you do have a guy who he's been violent, he's been in trouble with the law before, but none of his prior Acts of violence even approach this You know The triggering event. is he gets into a domestic altercation with his common law wife And that leads him to go on this rampage You know, there's no manifesto. There's no great political end here There's no, you know, he was under some delusion other than his delusion that things were falling apart, which at the beginning of COVID might not even been that delusional We're not going to have any answer for you. We can tell you some things about him that are interesting. speak to sort of his background But why he did this will always be a complete mystery. Absolutely. I mean, the why is such a huge question here And we only know so much. So Gabriel Wartman was lifelong friends with disgraced New Brunswick lawyer Tom Evans. Evans was a successful lawyer in the nineteen eighties until he resigned as a lawyer in the early nineties after being convicted of sexually assaulting an underage boy and plying him with liquor. So not great. Evans was nineteen years older than Wartman, and according to Wartman, they met when he was just a child Wortman also rented a room from Evans when he attended the University of New Brunswick. Did that have anything to do with what happened? Who knows except that When you're trying to figure out how someone just completely snaps and becomes this incredibly violent person you have to look into who they knew, what they may have experienced growing up, what altered their brain chemistry to do something like this. And look, I don't think it's making excuses for him to say that he grew up in a violent household And apparently, one of his childhood friends turned out to be a pedophile. who he knew when he was a child he rented a room from when he was in college. We don't know that anything happened there, but it possibly could have. But I think Alice is right. I think when you look at these cases trying to understand. Why they happen, what some of the triggers are, what some of the red flags are is valuable. and we always talk about, how do you stop these things from happening? People have all sorts of views and it often gets very political, but when you're just looking at these cases and trying to identify potential perpetrators Mbe some of this history is relevant And they were lifelong friends. When Evans died in two thousand nine, he left Wortman his entire estate and his possessions including The Ruger Mini fourteen semi automatic rifle which Wartman used in the twenty twenty attacks. Now Wartman could not legally possess that firearm, but nevertheless. That's how you got it. And Wartman, who was the executor of this estate would claim that Evans estate had no value. And in fact, he never probated the will. This appears to have been an effort to both get some properties away from people who might have had interest in those properties and to avoid paying taxes because in reality, Evans's estate was worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. If you wondered where did he get all that cash from, part of it was this estate that he took control of. But it gets weirder these two in their relationship. So This has been looked in to pretty extensively by various Canadian news agencies because once again, everybody's trying to figure out why did this happen Well apparently, not only were they close, but the two men We're known to travel to the United States together If they were basically smugglers, they would smuggle cigarettes alcohol other items, probably firearms, various other illegal things across the border using a sailboat that Evans owned and that Wartman would later inherit as well. Wartman's uncle, Glen reportedly warned the family to get Wartman away from Evans because Evans would quote only get him in trouble That seems to be fairly accurate The Halifax examiner would report that Evans sort of took Wartman under his wing. Remember he'd known him since he was a child. And remember, Wartpman is this kind of vulnerable kid. Pedophiles often target because he has this rough home life He isn't close with his father ends up beating his father up at some point. And so he sort of takes him under his wing. He shows him how to make money, smuggling illegal goods across the U. S. border. So hard to say both men are dead. th we'll never have concrete answers on this, but their relationship is one of the more intriguing aspects of this story beyond just the horrific rampage that Wartman goes up I love a good bargain. In fact, it just pains me to pay for anything full price when I know that there are other options. 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Again, being a smuggler doesn't necessarily mean you're this like utterly violent person, right? So this is the part of the story where you throw a bunch of spaghetti at the wall in terms of like his background. We're not necessarily saying this is what led him to do these sorts of things, but trying to make sense of the nonsensical here So this attack goes forward. twenty two people die. in quick succession and it ends with Wartman himself being shot to death The repercussions of this are going to be astronomical, of course, because an entire province was terrorized So on may first, twenty twenty, Justin Tudeau, who's the prime Mister of Canada, announced a federal ban on fifteen hundred makes and models of military style assault weapons and variants of semi automatic rifles, including the Ruger Mini fourteen model used by the shooter. Now, according to the police, none of the firearms in Wartman's posessions were legally owned by him. But nonetheless The response to this, which we often see is like a massive ban of a ton of types of guns I wouldd like to know if they did anything about owning Repplica vehicles because how does they say that or replica uniforms. Yeah. I mean impmpersonating an officer is a very serious crime here in the United States Like why would you need that? If you need if to make a movie, at least have a permitting system. I mean, there's to be some way to avoid you being able to pull a woman over and shoot her in your replica car at least to fool another RCMP. Yeah. That's. And I think that's important to note because I'm sure a lot of you out there are thinking, well, I see people with c. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we talked about that earlier. You can get vehicles. They never look like police vehicles that well. Even if you initially saw him, you're like, Ohh, is that a cop Like sometimes you'll see the little, they still have that really bright light that's right outside the door so they can reach out and they can shine it and you'll see that come up behind you'll like, oh, it's a cop. And you realize, o, no, it's. This was so convincing that he could pull up beside another officer and the officer thought he was a cop That is wild that you could do something like that and I don't know. I mean, that's certainly something I hope they looked at. That's just wild. That's wild to me. Like we said, the first thirteen victims who were in Porta Peak It really did happen in such quick succession. It was difficult to know what was happening. They're getting all these nine hundred and eleven calls, Is a fire? Is it a shooter? It's not even clear Then he goes on to kill another nine people. So many people have been openly critical of the RCMP's response to these tragic events because they didn't effectively do certain things like Block all the exits in Pua Peque. You know you have this mass murder in Puorta Pe and he's in a car? block all the roads. They provided misinformation, slow to provide information, and they were only providing information on Twitter not phone calls, you know, I get phone calls for Our soccer field being closed, right? There are ways to do communication in emergency situations, but they were only communicating by Twitter. and there was actually no general alert ever given even once it became clear and they were giving more frequent updates on Twitter. They didn't use like a general alert system or go on TV, for example, and do a plea for people to Stay inside homes, don't be Samaritans. pull over for an RCMP looking car But of course, the RCMP defends their response, saying that it was all very confusing and fast moving at the time I do agree. Really, I see two sets of mass murders, thirteen and then nine The nine later. It's such a tragedy they died because they had time to stop him and those nine died nonetheless Yeah, and look That was RCMP's position It was not satisfying for a lot of people. And so the federal and the Nova Scotia government launched a public investigation into the response. Remember, this is twenty twenty.'s I mean, it's great that they were using Twitter I love that they use Twitter. I don't them for using Twitter But it's astonishing that that's all they used that they only tweeted about it I think there's a lot of people who weren't on Twitter Maybe in Nova Scotia at the time. But anyways, so they released this final report. It's incredibly detailed And it is Damning for the RCMP. This is March of twenty twenty three. I feel like so many of our cases end with a damning report for the RCMP. We're back again. It's another damning report for the RSCMP. And maybe it's just because the RCMP really believes in looking internally and figuring out what went wrong and not covering it up and taking responsibility. that's going to be my positive spend on this is that at least the RCMP is trying to figure out what went wrong. Anyway, it's very critical to RMP and it made A lot of detailed findings, but here's sort of the eight high level findings that they made. Number one, the first responders were faced with a chaotic situation But the RCMP command system failed them. It did not give them the direction they needed in this fast moving, difficult situation. A lot of Decisions were left to RCMP officers on the ground who just were not in a position to be able to do that. DarCMP failed to warn the public effectively Yes. Yes. And you'll see many of these or subsets of that. The next one, the RCMP's social media warnings were grossly inadequate So even the warnings that are putting out on Twitter You know, you got a dozen people dead in buildings on fire and they're responding to a firearms complaint which I I see that doesn't make me think. Man, I better stay in my house. I better not Answer the door, right They also did not use the alert ready system, which is Canada's emergency alert system And the report treated this as a systemic failure. They were under apparently they just were wrong about this. They were under the impression that they needed to get all these different approvals to do this would be really hard. Can you even use it for this? and it's probably not what it's made for. The reality was if they had just S it, Hey, this situation They would have issued the alert ready alert and that would have been the one that would have gone to everyone's phones. that would have gone to their televisions, their radios. like basically if you're connected in any way, you would have gotten an alert that there's a shooter on the loose an RCMP vehicle, and stay away from that guy. And if they had done that, This still would have been an incredible tragedy because as Alice said. I mean the first dozen or so victims. There was no stopping that. But some of these later ones you see, you gotta think, those people would at least have had a chance And they didn't have that chance because they had no idea what was going on Critical information did not get to the right people fast enough. That's obviously true. Coordination with agencies was weak. so people weren't talking to each other This is obviously moveved beyond Porta Peque It becomes fairly obvious fairly quickly it's moved beyond Port to Pak. and yet the people in the different areas are not communicating that hey We have people being shot in buildings on fire too, which would have alerted people that this is a much bigger problem The RCMP failed to conduct an adequate post incident review So I take back all that I said about the RCMP, like trying to look internally. And the report concluded by calling for major reforms, not just small fixes here or there We will put the final report up on the website if you want to read it and it goes into all that detail about all of these problems. And you know, we always try and find some positive from this. I feel like usually when we talk about a Canadian case positive is well, hopefully the RCMP is corrected X problem so it doesn't happen again and that's where we're at again This incredibly horrific thing happened. We can only hope that there R CMP has taken the steps necessary that if there's another person out there like him gettinget ready to go a ramp page that they'll be able to respond more quickly and more effectively. But of course, we as prosecutors want to know What justice can there be? right? Wartman isn't here to pay for his crimes, He's not ever going to be tried for his crimes. It's very clear that he did all of this. There's really no question. The question is why he did this. So what sort of justice are we left with? Well, in May of twenty twenty, the families of the victims launched a class action lawsuit against Wartman's estate which was estimated to be about two point one million dollars. In August of twenty twenty, a second class action suit against the RCMP criticizing their response to the attacks was filed as well Now this of course, it's never going to bring back all of these people who are senselessly killed But we often say like civil lawsuits, especially when it's like wrongful death or trying to just seek some sort of compensation is sometometimes as close to justice as you can get in these sorts of situations. So in December of twenty twenty, the police arrested Lisa Banfield, Wartman's common law wife, along with her brother James and her brother in law, Brian Brewster, and they were charged with unlawfully purchasing and transferring ammunition which Wartman had used in his attacks Now law enforcement does not believe that they had any knowledge of these attacks, but I guess they were pressured to bring charges against someone.. so they brought it against the people who had bought the ammunition that were ultimately used As you can see, I mean, Lisa was Really victim number one. It's a wonder that she wasn't killed And they are not exactly the people to be held responsible for what Wartman did. and these charges were ultimately dropped In February of twenty twenty one, the class action suit was expanded to include Lisa Banfield, James, and Brian Brewster, claiming that they had helped the killer prepare for the attacks based on that previous they purchased the ammunition and the guns Now these lawsuits are still pending. Unfortunately, the justice system turns very slowly and they remain unresolved to this day highly unsatisfying, just like unsatisfying as to why Wartman did this in the first place Yeah, it is there's no resolution here And honestly, even if they get all his money and There'd be no resolution. I think they're just trying to do what they can to get someome justice here seems like The legal system moves just as slowly in Canada as it does in the United States. Its this is Six years ago now You know, this happened right after we started the podcast sne of the things I noticed that we were recording episodes R has this happened? And here we are six years later no closer to really Kning why this happened or having any positive resolution. As I said, you know, when I think I think when you look at these cases, all you can try and do is remember the victims in hope that lessons are learned and the hardest lessons are learned from the worst situations. So Hopefully, as we said, the RCMP has taken a lot from this. And maybe this will be something that pololice forces around the world can learn from and really bolster that emergency alert system. I know even in the past years here in the United States. I mean now We have the amber alert. I get amber alerts all the time. You get the silver alerts When you have someone who's that's right elderly who is missing traffic alerts when there's like a big blockage on a highway, right? because that could be dangerous if like the car overturned and is blocking the entire highway. Right. I get those alerts on my phone now. So I feel like the communication thing probably has improved Some of this was probably The RCMP really trying to be forward thinking about how they're going to communicate, Oh, we're going to be on Twitter and everybody else see us and it won't just be You know, Grannies watching wheel of Fortune Seeing that there's something bad happening. We're going to have it on Twitter and this is can be so great And Yeah, I mean Great way to enhance your communication, but they can't be the only thing Well look, this, as we said, a lot of people requested this. Thank you guys for sending this to us. That aspect of using the vehicle. I do want to just reiterate One reason this is such a striking case is because that is fairly uncommon. You don't see that very often But it certainly happened in this guys. Thank you guys support pointing this out Thank you to all of our listeners in Canada. We love you guys. We always enjoy covering cases north of the border. Keep sending them to us It's always a lot of fun and it's different. because just the system's different. It's, you know, it's Canada and the United States are so Close yet different. I don't really know How to describe it. It's like Not the same, but so close. but it's interesting to see how those differences matter And RCMP is a fascinating. organization because it's kind of like the FBI, but it's kind of like your local police too. It's a very different structure they have. So always enjoy that Thank you so much for listening and for providing Okay, suggestions. We love you. I'd love to get up there. I have to go up to Nova Scotia, have to visit Prince Edwards Island, see if they're different. Maybe we can combine those two, make it one province You have more power in parliament. Do you have a parliament I guess I do. I don't know. Anyways This is great. I'm going to stop talking for all the Canadans Iit making If you do have cases, you want to suggest, shoot us an email, prorosecutors pod at gmail. com at prosecutors Pod for all your social Media We're just like the RNP, we're on Twitter, but we're also on Facebook and the gallery you can join the gallery You can follow us on Instagram Or if you want to see these episodes recorded for only three dollars a month, you can join Patreon You also get the episodes early and ad free on Patreon or on the Apple podcast, you can subscribe now and get episodes with our commercial. So then you don't have to do the whole Patreon thing, but you don't get to see our smiling faces. And I feel like that is part of the attraction, though maybe Maybe I'm wrong about that. so I guess we'll see. Alice, do I want to answer a question today I think we have to. It' like this was so deeply unsatisfying because it's just so violent. It really shows you the utter depravity that our human is capable of. So yes, let's answer her question. Let me just say, you know, some of you don't like mysteries. because you like resolutions. And the thing that I find more and more when we cover these cases is there's never a true resolution I mean We know who did it Does that answer the great mystery at the heart of this case? No, it doesn't I don't know, to me These cases bother me more because there's no hope of resolution We're never going to know why I did it Even if you did, even if they discovered, oh, we actually did write a manifesto. We discovered and we're going to read it. You're still not going it's not going to be satisfying. You're not really going to know. You're not really going to understand it. You know, this is the kind of horrific thing that happens that you just I don't know, you can never really get past. So anyways With all that depressing stuff said, let's answer a question Okay, this is by someone named Red Gun Dogs Red gun dogs. they have a ton of vinyl We like the sound more than digital music And they play theirs on a nineteen sixty four Jared Lab eighty was their dad's turntable t awesome. They pair it with the nineteen sixty three Kinwood T receiver and Sonny Reel to Reel. That's kind of awesome. Okay, so they want to know number one, what turntable do we play albums on, but also do we have any albums? and what is our favorite record that we Oh This is Taylor made for you, Brett. I mean, do you not have a I do not have a record player. Do you have records? I have records, but from like my parents' collection growing up So like I have them. And then sometimes when I go by like a used bookstore and I see one, even though I don't have a record player If I see like a nostalgic album, I'll buy it I don't have any like new Records. I only have what I have like Abba And you know, like that's about as new as it gets because It makes me feel nostalgic because we used to have one growing up And I loved experimenting with how the needle would play. Oh yeah I would love to say I have like a nineteen fifties. You know, turntable or whatever. and I am curious now that you ask if my parents still have their turntable and what it is. But mine is a like audio Techna, whatever. What it's called audio Tchna Turntable that's connected to light fancy speakers. So it's nowhere near as like cool as Ys Yours is a much cooler one. Yeah, Audio Technica. It's great though. I mean the kids love it. It's like fancy. they can like do the lights and stuff. They really like it. Favorite album I mean, don't really it doesn't really have to be an album. It doesn't have to actually be vinyl. So the first vinyl album I ever purchased Well, as an adult, was Sargeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club band by the Beatles because I was very much in a Beatles place When I got my record player So I got a bunch of Beatles albums a bunch of Bob Dylan albums, you know, the Wall. Tommy, like all this sort of classics. but then You know, all the new music comes out on vinyl as well. So vinyl sales are physical media. I mean, that's, you know blows away. Nobody buys CDs or tapes or anything like that anymore. If if you're gonna to buy physical media you buy a record because most of stuff's just downloads. So I get like Taylor Swift albums O vinyl You know, all that kind of stuff All that stuff's great. Does it sound different? So I don't know. You know, people debate this because you have you can like you have the exact corollary there, right? You have like what you hear on your Apple Music for Taylor Swift and the Tayor Swift Final. So you can like compare apples to apples. I remember when I first got my record player And I put An album. on the record play and start playing it And my dog was in another room. and like ran in the room barking like crazy. Huh. 'ause I think the dog thought it was a person. There's somebody in that room playing music. Now he never did that with other music. and he'd heard music all the time. that's interesting. That always made me think, okay I may not be able to tell the difference, but I think he can. I think it sounds better and I actually like the pops and the scratches. I like all that stuff because I think it adds like when you hear breathing when someone's talking, That's why they add the breaths into AI vices Exactly Somebody needs to send Brett a lot of Del Ray album. You don't think I've got long I was going say you definitely have sure you do. Norman Rockquell, I got that baby. It's four discks I play it all the time. H first album born to die. I got all that on vinyl. Come on I don't know. It's just such a good question. But it gets into a lot of music thing. I I only have like older. I really did. I loved Dania Marie and Abba. I had Michael Jackson, but like my parents didn't buy that. I did buy that because I'm a thriller child. Well, I've told my story by listening to Thriller. On vinyl Just over and over ever again, when I was a kid. I mean, I loved thriller. and I've got it. I got thriller on Vinyl. That's what. kids. You know, it's amazing The problem with vinyl And this is obvious is where is down Well, it wears down, but also we've become so accustomed to being able to hear whatever song we want to hear whenever we want to hear it And we can skip all the songs we don't like. So Music today is less album based. The really good artist. L I feel like one thing I like about Taylor Swift is I feel like her albums are always good They're not just There's like five hit songs on this and you listen to the songs. L she builds kind of the albums. to it matters as an album. her last one, which I didn't love they didn't love her last album, but the whole thing has like an arc And that's the perfect kind of record way to listen to it. Yeah. Yeah. likeike if you vinyl, you listen to it. like there's the head in the Heart, which is a great band some of you heard of Their first album, which came out fifteen years ago, which is hard to believe awwesome on a record player because It is an album from start to finish and every song kind of plays into each other. And when you listen to it on the record player, it's just And so that's what I like. And that's why stuff like Tommy or the Wall is so great because the whole thing matters, you're not just listening to one song. So I think as far as what is my favorite records, vinyl records It's whenever you have something. that the whole record matters. You're not just looking for that one or two songs that you want to hear That's my thought Allright guys, well, if you want to ask us a question, leave a five star review and we will answer them. That question was left a long time ago, so it might take a while, but we'll get to it. Eventually,