Media Maverick Dan Mason Interview

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Listen to Newsworld on the IHR radio , Apple podcast wherever you get your podcast. Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Suxton Show podcast. Welcome everybody. Thursday edition of Clay and Buck gets going right now. Appreciate you being here. Clay is in sunny Hawaii, having a great time with the family . He's on vacation this week and next week . So I am holding down the fort of freedom with all of you heading into our nation two hundred fifty . Clay did start mixing in from the beach yesterday and I told him that phone in the canvas beach bag and enjoy himself. But if he has any other thoughts, I'm sure he'll share them today during the program with the team. We have a lot to discuss The aftermath of Socialism night in NYC . Our friend Ryan Gordusky will join on that as well in the third hour . I think it's the third hour, yeah. So we'll be talking to him about the data here's where some of you took this. Say, well, Buck, but so few people voted and it's such a small snapshot and it's such a crazy area of a crazy city politically New, York. Yeah , but I want to give you some other perspective on that and that oftentimes it's the very committed crazies who change a whole the world around them. It's not about being popular all the time, my friends. It's just about getting enough power , getting that first beachhead, if you will . And then a lot of things can happen . We also had Trump at the what was the great American great American State Fair where I'm sure he had delicious cotton candy, the most delicious some people are saying it's pink, it's beautiful cotton candy . I actually wondering what would be before I found out that I had celiac disease , I think fried dough was my go to, which has got to be one of the worst things you could possibly eat at it. I think cotton candy is healthy compared to fried dough because cotton candy is pure sugar, whereas fried dough is sugar plus dough, which is basically just more sugar f,ried in oil, which is fat , but it's delicious . It is delicious . So maybe fried dough. And then but aren't there like some Italian versions of fried dough that people eat at like the Sene Lorenzo Festival or whatever it's called in New York. Producer Mike help me out. You know what I'm talking about? San Marino, San Marzano, what is it ? There's something Genero I was going through all the sands. Sorry, this A Janeo festival because they have like fried dough, but they have a cool name for it, so it's delicious. Anyway, we got the Zeppeli . Is that right? Yeah. Yeah, that's just fried dough, but it's delicious, but we have our American version of that. I have really enjoyed, I will say I've been watching some of the really I watch the twenty minute versions of the World Cup matches so I can see all of them and I can't spend three hours watching every game , but I've seen a lot of them, but also the people that are visiting America that are finding out how amazing Texas is, for example, and just how much fun, cool stuff there is, how nice Texans are and the c ultural , whether it's the rodeo stuff, the horses, the all kinds of fun stuff or people visiting in, you know, here in South Florida or New York, wherever . So that's been that's been really fun watching all . Yeah, we've got a stack show. I got to start. I want to jump, jump right into this because it's it matters. There's a good day at the Supreme Court. Some decisions came down. I'm going I to'm going to give you good news, bad news here , but it's three bits of good news and then one bit of possible bad news. But let's start with the good news , right? Let's get into that . Supreme Court came down with some important decisions. The first one and I think this is probably the best, most important one is Mullen V Dow . Now this is all about temporary protected status , temporary protected status, emphasis on the temporary , and that is a humanitarian program. Notice whether it's this or asylum, which we're going to talk about in a second , there has been a clear effort , a concerted campaign over many years now to abuse the humanitarian impulses of the American people and humanitarian statutes to skip to the front of the line, take advantage of us, get access to welfare benefits and pretend that you're a humanitarian case when really you just view America as a soup kitchen . People show up, they get their stuff. They don't have to love this place. They don't have to obey the laws. Temporary protected status was supposed to help people who were essentially in a war torn or natural disaster zone , right? So if there's an earthquake that kills tens of thousands of people and destroys all the infrastructure , we'll let some people come here because we're nice. That's really there's no benefit to us, to be clear, to the American people. This is a Americans being nice thing . And we extended temporary protected status many times in the past, and sometimes it goes for years , sometimes it goes for decades. And that's where you start to say, well, how temporary is this really? Clearly have been people in this whole thing who have thought to themselves , I can stay forever . the And open borders Democrats view this as a way of getting us to a forever getting people to a forever status. So in twenty twenty five, the Trump administration ended TPS for Haiti specifically . And you know, they had they had had it for a number of years and finally Trump said, Okay Haiti's doing well enough that Haitians can go back now. Remember, the program was never supposed to be, you skip the immigration system altogether, you just get to stay here forever, hence the temporary protected status. But you see no good deed when it comes to immigration , no good deed goes unpunished . And here they sued . They sued a bunch of, you know, the usual like , you know, NGOs and stuff like that . They brought suit saying really that there's a violation of the Administrative Procedures Act , which is just Democrats speak for. Yes, you have this authority. Yes , you're in power, but I don't like what you're doing. So I'm going to pretend that there was some box on some paperwork somewhere you were supposed to check that you didn't . It's just It's just a pure tactic of bureaucracy . It's just the administrative procedures like, oh, you didn't do enough consultation . It's arbitrary and capricious, they said. It lacked consultation . And amazingly enough , there were of course courts that just think that America should take in, especially non remember, Democrats don't like the white immigrants who have been let in last year under asylum or they've come here as refugees from South Africa . Those they don't like. But if you're a non white immigrant in any capacity whatsoever who did not come through the normal immigration process, the Democrat Party thinks you should stay forever . So there were the Supreme Court brought together a couple of these different cases, took this up . And also, by the way, Venezuelan temporary protected status is affected by this. So the court held six three Justice alito writing the opinion of the court . It basically just said that the process claim here is not reviewable . That a judge can't just say , well, I get to determine that you didn't think about this long enough executive branch . And so since you didn't think about it, because that just means that the judge now has control over immigration policy, which is preposterous . So that didn't fly . And the other part of it is an equal protection claim. Essentially , some of the lower courts were saying that you're just doing this because you don't like Haitians , Trump. That's what it was. There was a racial animus in this . Well, that doesn't fly because there have been other temporary protected statuses that have been revoked that have nothing to do with Haiti or Hait ians . And so sure enough , the executive branch can say, we'll let you stay for a while, but then we can tell you it's time to go. And they get to make that determination. So you'll notice this was not a hard case on the when it comes to the law, but Kagan, Sotomayor, Jackson , the leftists pretending the leftist legislatures pretending to be legislators pretending to be judges all went against it. So that's one. The other case that came down. So that was a six three. The other case that came down here also a six three. Noticing a pattern had to do with the Immigration and Nationality Act , which provided that an alien who arrives in the United States may apply for asylum and be inspected by immigration officers. So back in the first Trump administration, Department of Homeland Security had a metering, which effectively meant a turn back policy of look, we can only allow one hundred one hundred , five hundred , whatever the number is , people at this port of entry today to present themselves for an asylum claim . Because we're swamped. We just can't handle all the rest of the people that are showing up. Now, keep in mind, these are people who aren't actually in any legal sense asylum seekers. They just want to come to America, skip the immigration line and stay here forever. That's the whole point. They don't show up seventy, eighty, ninety percent of them don't show up for their actual hearing. They just disappear into the American interior. This became a huge bad faith scam that allowed millions, millions of illegals to just come into Americans and the Democrats all the time are saying, but it's humanitarian. It's about asylum. No, it's not. I just want to be in America. And I get that. That doesn't make people bad people, by the way. I don't I'm not shocked that there are people who would rather live here than be impoverished in Honduras or deal with the regime in Cambodia or whatever the case may be. I get it , but we have a country here that we're trying to maintain and we have laws . So in this in this border case you had asylum seekers, quote unquote, and of course a, nonpfroit , oh, always these nonprofits sued saying that anybody , even if they're in Mexico, even if they have not been able to cross onto American soil , if they are in the vicinity of a port of entry , that should mean they have the right to present themselves for asylum. So if you have a thousand people show up at a port of entry, they all have to be brought into America so that they can brought physically brought onto American soil so that they can say that they're asylum seekers and pass that the initial credible fear test, which I've been down to the border. I've seen this myself. They have wristbands that the cartels give them. They've been coached to say the just the words, I have a credible fear of violence in my country. The Obama administration, I mean, the Biden administration let this just turn into a total free for all the whole thing is a scam . But again, six to three holding here, Justice Alito , joined by Roberts, Thomas, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh and Barrett , said that the statute , statutory words arrives in the United States actually means arrives in the United States . And we actually have the ability at the border to say you can't come in right now . We can't process you. You have to wait . That was all this really came down to the ninth circuit, I might add, which is, of course, the craziest federal circuit . The ninth circuit said no . You have anyone who gets if you have ten thousand people, which we know there have been caravans with ten thousand people all want to be at one port of entry . They all have to be brought through that port of entry to onto American soil so that they can have their asylum processing gun . So we can't even have a bureaucratic, you know, we can't even have a sort of bureaucratic distinction of how many people we can process at a port of entry. If you get there, you get to come in. That was the game . Now, imagine, by the way, if you have the ninth circuit say, hey, you can't make people wait ten minutes to come into come through customs and immigration. That's unfair. They're Americans. If they're Americans, they should just , I mean some of you probably love this idea actually. I think I kind of do. But the point is it's not in their power to do that . It's not a judge does not have the authority to say you have to process people even faster than you than you currently are because they shouldn't have to wait. So if you can't do that with American citizens, why would you do that for foreigners for illegals in this case ? And I' dond even get into the whole notion of defense of asylum , which is when people cross illegally. This is for people who are trying to go to a port of entry through the legal illegal entry way . There is illegal crossing, which tons of people were doing then. And they turn around and say, I want defensive asylum, they call it , which is where you basically get to skip even the port of entry line. But we made this harder because we had border patrol set up and now the Trump administration has been turning people away. But the point here is six three you can't tell our ports of entry that they have to process ten thousand people who show up all at once because some judge says so . You also can't say that Trump doesn't or the Trump administration doesn't get to make temporary protected status for Haitians temporary because Sotomayor thinks Trump doesn't like Haitian people, which is basically what the whole claim here was that's it . six three six three decision not as big , but also something else in the legal realm that I want to talk to you about here in a second. We'll hit that pre thatm Seu Court decision and also a look ahead in just a moment. There's a declaration of Independence Project underway. It's an effort to remind everyone about the brilliant wording in the document that declared our nation's freedom. When America was formed in seventeen seventy one, this document became the most repeated and well regarded by many new citizens. 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It just happened in a and it's a small amount of voters and it's just a congressional primary and a few state assembly seats and all this the other side of it though is there's a trend here, isn't there? Of incredibly radical radical , far left and really destabilizing and hateful individuals. Now they always say, of course, that we're hateful. I don't hate anybody. I mean, I hate people doing very bad things , but I don't approach politics with hate in my heart for anyone . I think people are very wrong. I think there are evil decisions and I think there are evil people , but I don't approach this with the desire to like get at my enemies or anything like that. That's not I don't think conservatives do that in general. There are a lot of leftists who really do. They because they're not motivated . This is a good way to put this . I think of politics and I think of the conversation that we have, the dialogue, the discourse, however you want to phrase it. You know, what is the beating the beating heart of constitutionalism of MAGA , Trump ism, all these things , trying to make this country the best it can possibly be for as many of us as can possibly have it be great and to do good things for people . It really comes from from a place of positivity and that is the underlying there 's nothing beneath that . The problem you have with these leftists is that the actual foundation, yes, they'll talk a lot about justice and social justice and wanting to help people, but it's really about resentment . They resent people that they think are more successful than them, are more powerful than them , are happier even though because there are obviously plenty of far left ists with so much money, you know, billions and billions of dollars , but they're miserable . They sense or they lack rather a sense of purpose. They lack that that confidence and calm that can only come from feeling like you are the person you are supposed to be and whether you are a street sweeper or a founder, CEO, billionaire , you're happy with who you are . You think that you're doing the right things day to day. Leftists don't have that . And that is really, I think, the wellspring of their ideology and of their emotional fragility, if you will . And it's why they embrace ideas that allow them to think that they are inherently better than other people . I want a safe let me give you an example of this, right ? I want a safe America. I want safe streets. I don't want anyone in America anywhere of any color to walk down the street and be worried, am I going to be robbed, stabbed, raped, any of these things ? And there are policies that I believe should come from that. Now I know that's not possible in the sense that there's going to be criminals. There's going to be, although it can be very, very low . I told you the in some ways incredible other than the high geopolitics stuff I went. with When our friend Steve Y ates, Nation States with Yates , he was my Taiwan Shirpa, if you will. I know I'm kind of mixing Nepal and Taiwan there, but you get it. He was my Taiwan Shirpa . And to be in such a high trust low crime society was really eye opening because we have way too much crime and disorder and decay and madness here. It does not have to be that way . You can be in a place where a crime happens and it's almost like someone, you know, getting eaten by an alligator or killed by a group of you know, wild pigs. That happens but it happens like twice a year in this country or something like that. It's very rare. I don't know how often those wild boars actually get people. It's rare though, it's rare. They're mean instead what the Left has and I'm going to I'm going to tie this all into the New York City thing, but what the Left has is I think that billionaires and millionaires and billionaires are now a trillionaire . I don't like them because they have more than me and I think again, I'm speaking from a leftist perspective. And I think that they victimized people to get what they have through capitalism , of course , and I want them to have less . I want them to be punished by the state , even if it doesn't, see this is the difference. Even if it doesn't have the intended outcome of funding schools or bringing down the price of rent or any of these things. You see, the leftist approaches these as hurt the people I don't like . I want to vote for people. I want to put people in power so that they can hurt people that I'm resentful of , whether it's for racial reasons, religious reasons, economic reasons, gender whatever it may be. I have a resentment and I want you to get them. I'm going to cover this up, of course with my pretense of extreme altruism. Oh no, I really just I really just want to help the poor . Look at all the examples of this . We can take a really big example . You know, the Affordable Care Act, for example, which every single analysis of healthcare now, there's no question, there's no doubt made healthcare more expensive for everybody who actually buys their own health care pays or for their own health care in any capacity . So unless you're totally on welfare , healthcare welfare , it has made it less affordable for you. But the people behind that think, yeah, that's good. They won't tell you that. They'll say, Oh man, wow, if only Republicans had done this or it's actually great anyway. But ultimately this goes back to I think it's a churchill quote. Sometimes I get my churchill and my thatcher quotes mixed up as the internet does too, I might add . But that capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings, but socialism is the equal sharing of misery . That's really the point . It doesn't matter if the policy doesn't work . It hurts the people that they, the left, want hurt . So once you understand those deep psychological roots because now you'll see, well, hold on a second . How could Trump just put more cops on the street , so to speak. I mean, federal fusion , FBI, and other agencies tasked to work with state and local law enforcement brought the crime violent crime way down in DC, brought the violent crime numbers way down in Memphis . Well , people who are like chevalier who just w on this primary in New York's thirteenth Congressional District , they would say, yeah, but that's not we ultimately shouldn't do that because we have to accept that more people are going die and be killed in a as victims of crime so that we don't make anybody of any group feel like they're being targeted or that it's unequal or brings up icky feelings . They want to pay that price . They think people should pay that price and they make it very , very vague , but ultimately, like I said, the equal sharing of misery, they want to spread as long as the misery is spread around, they think they've achieved something . And that then brings me to these protesters. This just happened last twenty four hours. This is from the New York Post. Listen to this. Dozens of protesters descended on a hatemongering Brooklyn coffee shop Wednesday morning after it publicly vowed to refuse service to a pro Israel politician and its owner's social media posts comparing Israel to Nazi Germany came to light . They chanted End Jew hatred and this shall not stand as, they were confronted by a smaller group of counter protesters , many of them rabbis from Jews united against Zionism , who waved Palestinian flags and loudly denounced Israel through a bullhorn . You are a Zion Nazi terrorist , one rabbi wearing a Kafea and holding a Palestinian flag repeatedly shouted inches from the face of a pro Israel protester who replied, Oh, you have very bad breath . Okay, well there you go . Sides angrily clashed on the sidewalk in front of Poetica coffee shop and park Slope at times shouting in each other's faces until the NYPD stepped in and separated them separate areas . So by the way, the DOJ Civil Rights Division is looking at this coffee shop for not serving somebody because he's Jewish But this is what I wanted. By the way, the guy who owns this place his name is Parviz Mukhamadkalov . That's gotta be like Central Asian. I don't know if that's like Turkmen or Kazakh or something . It's a pretty good guess from the Buckster. I bet you'll check that one out. Point here is my friends why would you not serve? I mean think about the mentality. You're going to not serve somebody because know, they're they're Jewish and you don't agree with their positions on Israel. So you're going to is that going to change anything ? No, but it's just about spite. You're not going to change policy. In fact, you might have the opposite effect . It's just about spite being nasty, being hateful. And then think about these other protesters, some of them Jews, I mentioned this yesterday, there are Jews who are virulently anti Israel and are collaborators with anti Semites . This is a real very real thing. I'm completely aware of this you know, something there are these strange situations that you would not expect . It reminds me when I tell people, you know that there were there were black Americans before the Civil War, not many, but there were documented black Americans who own slaves . Who owned black slaves ? Something that you will not be taught in school. I never learned that in school. I learned that on my own. But of course , then you start to realize hold, on a second, so slavery is actually a very widespread practice all around the world in that it is an inherent evil, but it's not an inherent evil that was only in the United States and only of one race. And anyway think about for a moment the mentality of showing up somewhere in New York and comparing Israel to Nazi Germany . The owner of this store compares Israel to Nazi Germany . Talk about an upside down view of the world and talk about unfortunately a really depraved and deranged understanding of history and the present . But this is once again about policy. It's not about support for Israel Wonder what it's really about? As I told you yesterday, I've been called a Jew on social media now so many times in the last year just for being consistent in what I believe and view this thing , this conflict with the moral lens that I think is appropriate . And like I said, I take it as a badge of honor. I don't back away from it. I'm not Jewish, but but fine by me . And they say it of course, usually with expletives and it's quite clear. They don't mean it in a nice way . But I sit here and I have to tell you that whether it's this coffee shop owner or others, he has resent ment . I don't know necessarily. I don't know the guy, but he has resentment and he's been told that Jews control this and Jews are really successful and Jews , you know, have all these things and Jews are the reason that, you know, housing prices are so high or Jews control the banking system or whatever the director , you know, the pathway of anti Semitism is that he's l atched onto. And then the whole Israel thing and opposing the Israel policy for someone like this. If you're comparing Israel to Nazi Germany, I'm not saying, hey, you know, can you criticize settlement policy without being an anti Semit ic of course there are a lot of Jews who do that. In fact, tons of Jews in Israel do that. But someone like this Israel is like Nazi Germany ? Yeah , you don't like Jews . You know, quite clear. It's about resentment. It's not about policy. It's about I don't like those people and I want to find a policy prison through which I can throw things at them and pretend it's not just about some innate hate . It's not just about I have a distaste for these people, a dislike , you know , a bigotry . There's the word . It's about, oh, if only they had done things differently in Gaza. Let me tell you something right now . None of the people are complaining the loudest about Israel in Gaza , none of them would have thought there was any way for Israel to defend itself by uprooting Hamas after the october seventh attacks. There was no way that they would have done that that would have been accept able to those people . So it's just a waste of time trying to placate them, trying to explain it. Their problem isn't with Israel's conduct in Gaza . Their problem is with the Jews. You see , leftists. Once you understand the mind disease that they have , you can diagnose it. You can see it, you can find it all over the place . 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Okay, well is America on the end after socialism night in New York just a few days ago . First, what were your your top level observations ? I mean this chevalier chick is definitely nuts. I mean, she's she's a whacko. There were some others that were in the mix too. What matters what matters looking at this stuff to you ? I think when you look at the her we call her DAC because it's easier. The woman who ran against Espilot in Harlem in the Harlem District of Harlem and part of the Bronx. Part of that race that no one is talking about is the fact that the black part of Harlem really always had a very negative relationship with Espilot because Espilot ten years ago ran against ran against the former Congressman Charlie Wangle. Charlie Wrangle for those who don't remember, this most famous thing in his life was he didn't pay taxes even though he wrote the tax code because he says it's too complicated. He's dead now doesn't matter. But anyway , that district was historically a black district with a black representative. Espilot challenged him saying there's more Dominicans than blacks now. This should be a Dominican district. Black political leaders and black voters , older voters in that area forgave him for that ever . So he should have been doing better , even among people who don't care about socialism, but he underperformed cuomo by a good measure in the black parts of Harlem and the urban parts of Harlem. Something that really struck me though when I broke down precinct by precinct was really the turnout level in these heavy transplant , high college educated, very far left districts. So in that same district, in the district I talked about in Harlem and in South Bronx , in the parts like Columbia University in the area north of that morningside Heights where it is very transplant, very white for northern Manhattan , but a lot of other people, high income, high college education. The average precinct, election precinct, which is only just a couple blocks long, had between two and six hundred people show out in each precinct. And there's dozens of precincts in that area . The Bronx, for example, which is Espilat's area that he was very strong in , they're rarely broke a hundred votes per precinct, sometimes maybe at most one hundred fifty. But the turnout numbers were very lopsided in favor of where a socialist was running and a DSA camp was running. Over in Brooklyn, over in the other district where Val Dez was running . The only people to really mobilize and vote against the DSA and show up in big numbers were the Hasidic Jews. They did show up in big numbers against the DSA candidates, but there just weren't enough of them. Most of them actually live in Hux Jiee andffre y's district. And this also goes to show over in Grace Mang's district. Grace Mang is an Asian American Congresswoman Democrat in Queens. She is very unnoticeable. No one knows how any of her record whatsoever . She is a very small part of the communic or in her district . Nonetheless, in her Asian majority district , she only won by fifteen points because in the Asian predominant precincts over in Chinatown and Flush in Queens, over in the ethnic white neighborhoods out in near Whitestone or Middle Village and parts of Glendale, the average turnout was eighty to one hundred people per precinct. Over in the Commed or area, there were three to four hundred persons per precinct. So the turnout intensity, Democrat turnout nationwide has been high , but among those people who are mobilized by socialism, it is near presidential level turnout even for these kinds of midterms , and the average blue collar, working class, Democrat, many of them who were either ethnically white black and Hispanic had nowhere near that intensity whatsoever . So I saw this. DSA co chair, this was a quote circulating on X were using the Democratic Party as a ballot access vehicle, not because we share its goal. This is from the Democrat Socialists or the , ye Dahemocrats Socialists of Amer ica . We build our own organization, get elected on the Democratic label, caucus with Democrats when it's useful and push our own agenda from the inside. We see the Democratic establishment as an obstacle , not a home . The DSA , how powerful is it in New York, elsewhere? Is this part of the leftward lurch of the party? What do you see? Well, in New York, New York is the goal is the crown gem of the DSA network, right? Nowhere is it more powerful than in New York City, especially in the quote unquote comedy corridor where almost every single district . Wait, what's the comic? I'm from New York. What's the comic corridor I used to live in Australia? Is that part of the comic corridor? What's the comedy corridor? The comic corridor stretches. It's every part of Brooklyn and Manhattan that touches the water across from Mattanhan. So it stretches from Astoria Queens to Sunset Park, Brooklyn . That entire shrip that goes out of the water, every people all of you who couldn't afford to live in Manhattan anymore back in the nineties that moved to Williamsburg , they have extended themselves throughout the entire everything that touches the water that goes to Manhattan. And they are all very far left. So all the way up from the top of Astoria, all the way down to Sunset Park and Bayridge, Brooklyn. It's really now to Bay Ridge. So an entire strip of land, those are a lot of seats. And what Democrats did, this is why Democrats are so stupid in New York sometimes, Democrats to prevent Republicans from winning any local office seats in Queens and Brooklyn , they ran their districts east to west instead of north to south. Had they ran them north to south , they would have given Democrats so,cialists fewer seats to win. But because they ran them a long ways east to west , they have more seats to campaign and to win because it's a little bit of this of the commi corridor and a lot of other areas that just don't have high intensity voter turnout. So you have ethnic white areas that voted for Trump that have a local representative who's a member of the DSA because they refuse to give Republicans any seats in the low in the in the state of legislature in New York. And that's why the DSA is in fact more powerful than it even should be is because they were trying to get as many Democrats in the state legislature as possible . So Harry Enton of CNN, the poor man's Ryan Gordusky . He was looking at the data after this election and there was a graphic he put up on the screen. I'm trying to find it, but it's basically the view among Democrats, not nationwide, but the view among Democrats of Socialism, I think it was ten years ago versus today, something like that. And it has gone up dramatically and there are people. I saw Madwalsh, Ben Shapiro, Jesse Kelly. I've seen a bunch of people on AX who are saying guys , the Bolsheviks were never popular either, but they started out as a committed minority and then shaped things to their will over time . Is the Democrat Party lurching left toward a more open embrace of socialism or how does that look going into the midterms ? Yeah, I mean the thing is that everyone tries to paint this as a New York particular election and as a New York phenomenon or just an inner city phenomen on. Because remember, mayor of Washington DC is now a DSA member, mayor of Seattle is now a DSA member. Potentially the mayor of L. A. will be a DSA member. However , DSA members have won other primaries . They won a primary in rural Maine. They won a primary in Montana. They have they have elected office holders now in most states of the country in Democratic primaries in deep red states they will, find that sole blue pocket and they will put their put their flag there and then win primaries everywhere else. So yes, that's the big part of it. What has really been surprising more than and there's been no backlash, nothing from the Democratic Party is really how there's been a displacement, which for my life, you know, they've always had black black candidates run for off ice as Democrats being that blacks and the most loyal Democrats are. And now it's a lot of Arab candidates who are running as the DSA candidates and they're winning, oftentimes beating Democrats, the black candidates. It's kind of it's just the observation of how quickly those demographics and that changes happen . But yeah, so the party is changing very quickly and what we're seeing is both it's college educated whites, but it's not just college educated whites and it's not unemployed college educated whites. Parts of these areas that DSA members winning are very wealthy. These are people who live in three, four million dollar townhouses in Brooklyn. It's also assimilated second gener ation immigrants. Those Asian, Middle Easterners, sometimes African immigrants, their kids did assimilate. They didn't assimilate to Archie Bunker and John Way ne's America, they assimilated to AOC's version of America. They have assimilated it. And that's why sometimes this woman, the DAC up in Harlem, who's radical, who doesn't believe in biracial or sorry, multiracial coupling because you shouldn't you should not have a relationship with a colonizer is what she said . She's a well actually I had not heard I'd heard crazy stuff. I had not heard her say that oh yeah, she said she said she said black men who fetishized colonizers are disgusting. Yes. Oh yeah, she's nuts. She's completely insane but she's she converted to Islam not because she belie ved in the Quran, but because she sympathized with the people of Gaza. She is nuts , but she's perfect . That's a perfect assimilation to , you know, live hard left wing ideology . And that is where they assimilate it into mass media and the university system. And so it's perfect . So they have this huge population of younger people, why I say younger, forty and under because they're not all like eighteen. Some of them are well into the middle age , but forty and younger wealthy, wealthy college educated whites mixed with first and mostly second generation of immigrants who absolutely believes the lock lock and barrel, all this stuff. Our next election that we're going to see is in Wisconsin where this woman Fang is her last name. She's running for governor. She is like she makes this woman look same . She's running and she's leading in the polls right now. And she's running against the lieutenant governor who is a Marxist . So there's no end in sight. By the way, also DAC, you know who one of the people she said was a horrible politician for being too supporter of Israel, this cand whoidate just won an Harlem, two people as she said are on her enemies list, AOC and Bernie Sanders. They're too friendly to Israel. There is no bottom. There is no bottom. There's no floor. We're not going to come to a conclusion of this story. You either have to beat them and ridicule them or and while you have the power , make sure the institutions don't produce more of them or they will take over . So Ryan, we're just one more for you before we go. That was exactly what I was curious about after this. And so I'm glad we got your take on this. It's a numbers game. Everybody is Ryan's podcast. Great work, great research that he does all about this too. Friday afternoon. Oh, great. So guys, this is a deep dive on this stuff tomorrow, especially for WOR listeners or people that really want to know what's going on in their backyard . Go go listen to Ryan's podcast on this. But just one thing, we had uncle Bill. We had Bill O'Reilly on yesterday and he just threw in the mix that he's just like look the Democrats have no leader. And that was interesting because they clearly have some leaders, but I understand what he's saying. I get his point I. want And to asked you, who's the most powerful democrat as we're seeing this stuff play out in New York and people talking about AOC, who is the most politically powerful Democrat in America today ? Well, right now it's probably Mendani. I mean, probably Mandanni and Bernie. Bernie has a fundraising list that's bigger than everybody , but Mandanni as far as who energizes and motivates people, yeah, it's the shiny guy from the who smiley guy from the Knicks game, that failed rapp er because people have this vision for what he stands for, even though he's gotten close to nothing of his agenda done in New York. I mean, it's virtually close to nothing and he's capitulated on crime by bringing on Tish James's pretty hard l ined on crime and he's completely not who he pretends to do. He's not done nearly what he's pretended do . He's probably the most popular Democrat right now in the country overall. I would say any benefit besides that Bernie . I mean, it's either I was Bernie or Mam Danny. I mean, you know , you can't find Kamala, everyone just laughs every time she shows up in the media somewhere and Gavin Newsom just not getting any of the headlines these days. Yeah, he's a podcast host. But that's why right now the Democrats are deciding where to hold their first primary in twenty twenty eight. They're going to decide on the deep south. It is still old and it is still black. They are going to reject the DSA candidate in that in the south if you does that mean Kamala becomes the nominee if Clay was here? This is what he would ask you. Probably . I mean, I would say for Russia right now. Yeah. I mean, I mean right now as of right now, yes. That doesn't mean she will, but as of right now, probably yes. But they will they will push for the deep south to avoid because they are less scared of a comma virus than they are of a AOC Bernie Sanders back candidate because Akama Harris is a is absolutely no threat to Jaquin Jeffreys. Ab Mondani absolutely is . All right, Ryan Rusk, everybody, check out his podcast tomorrow on the Claymark Network. It's a numbers game. Ryan, great stuff. Thank you. Thank you so much . On Saturday, july fourth, we turn two hundred fifty years old. 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That's legacybox dot com slash BUCK Our guest now is Dan Mason , former president and CEO of CBS R adio . He's got a new book out fearless The Life and Times of A Media Maverick. Dan, great to finally get a chance to talk to you. Your reputation precedes you, sir. Thank you so much for being here with us on Clay and Buck Sorry Clay is gone. He was going to call in from the beach in Hawaii just to hang out with you too, but I said, Clay the reception we're going to hear the waves, the reception's not that good. So you just got me today , but you are a legend in the radio industry, sir. Why are you writing this book? Let's start with that. Well, first of all, thank you for having me. And I've never been I've never talked to nine million people at once. So that's what Julie says, Julie Talbot says your audi ence is. So glad to be here. A lot of people. Yeah, thank you. Why did I want to write the book? I wanted to write a written account of my own life. And I think back to my mom and dad or maybe even my grandparents , how cool it would be if I had that. It's like a roadmap of who they were or where I came from . But that's primarily why I did it . And the more I got into it, I realize in my life and I've practiced this all through my CBS days the things I've learned along the way , I didn't dream that up. It was taught to me by other people and I also realize it's kind of incumbent upon me to give that back. It's not mine to keep. So there's a lot of , I guess, Danism as you could say. That's for lack of a better term, that's what I named it in the book . Short things that I've learned that will help anybody, no matter what industry they're in. And of course, Buck there has to be, oh probably about thirty to forty percent of funny radio stories, and that would be bosses , jocs , recording artists. I think I've got them all in there . So you describe radio in the book as the media backbone of America. And chapter seven is titled Radio is dead with all the ways people consume content now. Has that changed or just evolved? Well, I wrote that chapter. I thought about walking by an appliance store in about nineteen sixty, sixty two. I saw my first color TV. And I don't know if you remember it. You probably don't remember this you're too young, but the whole slug line for advertising was wow, I saw color TV . So the TV people were out in forest talking about radio being dead and of course cassettes came along, CD's came along , you name it, it all came along . But here we are because radio is about companionship and more specifically about making friends . And I was told this once by a very well known person in the industry that if you do this right then it should be a one to one conversation but perhaps in this case heard millions of times over millions of one to one conversations happening. What is the advice that you would give to people who are in this medium about how to establish very special, that very powerful connection that radio is able to do that things like TV really just it's just not the same. I think radio is a much different medium it is a call to action medium. You know, you could get on the air, a morning show, you could get on afternoon. It doesn't matter and raise money for a family who had been burned out of their home . You might raise money for the dog shelter to get all the dogs adopted for that day, and it can happen. Little, not so much in TV, but radio is at one to one communication. And like I said before, it's a sense of belonging . People want to belong to something bigger, part of a family . And it's about it's simple. It's just about making friends. You have a chapter about NPR and the whole public funding back and forth over that . Where do you come down on that issue? You're a guy who knows plenty about about NPR and what it does and does not do . I've listened to NPR for about fifty years off and on. So I think I'm as good as anyone else in this country to make a comment on NPR. First of all , nineteen thirty four , the Communications Act established that there would be non commercial radio stations . And they would get on there and do something a little different that maybe a crazy top forty station wouldn't do. And that they always had this snooty attitude always. And they were very no matter what, they were partisan. It didn't reflect so much until President Obama was elected. Now this is my two sons, so other people may have a different opinion. In about nineteen sixty seven, the government came along and said, you know what? These guys are not making much money and they need to be they need to be on the air still. So let's fund them. And that went on from sixty seven to recently two at thousand just last year , which was about July . It was challenged in March of this year by a federal judge, but it's still going to be a tough put to bring that back. It was about one point one billion. So I wrote Commissioner Carr who I gave a tour of at ten wins and I told him I have a solution. I have the total solution for all of this and nobody's going to sue anybody. And here's the solution, Buck . Drop entire ly the noncommercial status of those radio stations . I mean, you hear you hear on there this is brought to you by a fund from Blank. This is provided to you by Blank. They're taking money and that's okay. But let them sell like every other radio station. There should not be non commercial stations anymore. And you look at Premier Network. If they want to have a network, there is four thousand noncom mercial stations right now in this country. You telling me they couldn't cobble together four hundred of those to go out and begin to sell a network ad? I think they could. And I think that as far as ratings go, they sure have those. Where I'm from in Washington, DC, they're number one in the market. And I know in Washington, DC, if they put salespeople in the street, they would be the darling of the market, I'm sure. So they can raise money. But if they don't drop that noncialcommer status, it's going to be tough . We are speaking to Dan Mason, former president of CE and CEO of CBS Radio. He's going to book out fearless the life and times of a media maverick . Why was Rush Lembaugh so special ? He made a lot of friends. Yeah, he had some enemies too, but he stood for something. And, you know, he was not afraid to take a position, say who he was, or not afraid to congratulate someone, not afraid to offend someone. I mean, it's interesting with him. He started like in Sacramento in as a DJ and you talk about vision, you talk about passion and desire . Look throughout his career. I mean, he's just he's a that should be the Maverick, not me. Now there are, as I understand it, some juicy stories in the book . Can you give us one or two? Can you give us so people can go pick up a copy of fearless? Like what are some things that they'll find? You got to you have people listening right now by the way who are thirty forty year radio devote devotees. I mean, people generally listen to Rush for thirty years , but you got people that have been all about this medium a lot of them , we also' gotve digital streaming and other things too, because we're in the year of our Lord twenty twenty six a lot of things going on . But give us some stories for the radio folks out there. Well, there's a lot of funny stories , a couple of them I can't tell you because they're too R rated even though your audience is probably I don't know, PG to Rated, I'm not sure . But the story that comes to mind that is a funny one that I can tell , I don't remember I don't know how old you are, but Dottie West was a huge country music singer in the early eighties. She had that song What Are We Doing In Love with Kenny Rogers, which was the number one record ? But I was at KTSA in San Antonio as general manager. I was only twenty seven years old . And my friend worked at United Artist in Nashville , and she was Dotty's promoter. So she calls me and says, Listen, we're coming through San Antonio and let's have lunch. I want you to meet Dotty and just talk. I said, sure, I'd love to meet Dottie. So we go to a steak and ale and remember Stakein Ail . We go there and we have lunch and lunch is and she was absolutely the most beautiful woman that I'd ever seen in my life at that time , but just beautiful. And I would think about all those commercials she do, like did like I was raised on country sunshine, which was a big coke commercial back in the day . But we're winding down lunch and she looks at me and she goes, Dan , I've got a great idea . And I say, Oh, what's that? She says, Why don't you come with me? And I said Where ? And she goes , Dallas , we're on the way to Dallas. And I think you should come with me so we can get to know each other a little bit better . And I say I don't think I can. And she goes, Well, why not? I said, Well, I've got a wife and a young son , and I've got a radio station to run . And she looks at me and winks and says, I don't see the issue. What's the point? That was hilarious, at least at that place in time. It was really, really funny. So