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See website for details. Arrayo Original Podcast. Don't worry if it's bad news, Nicola will tell you something to do about it. Because if it's bad news, I'll start drinking and vaping. Okay, well we don't want that. Are you re ady? For us to reveal your biological age? Yeah. Vogue Williams, your chronological age is 40. Your biological age is This is What's My Age Again, where your body's story meets your birth certificate. My guest today is Vogue Williams, presenter, podcaster, DJ, fitness fanatic, mom of three, and the woman who somehow keeps multiple podcasts, businesses, and a household running at full tilt without missing a beat. She's open about anxiety and panic attacks, but also about training, supplements, and finding balance in a chaotic life. Today we ask the question everyone wants answered Vogue Williams aging faster, slower, or somewhere entirely unexpected? I've got her blood. And today we're finding out just how old Vogue Williams is on the inside. Welcome, Vogue to What's My Age again. I'm scared. You should be scared. I mean why did you give us your blood? I know. Do you know what? Because I was like I was obviously quite confident about it that day, but I do kind of go on about I don't drink that much. And like if my age is high, I'm gonna get myself a half bottle of vodka, red bull, and a vape. Well you should because our first guest ever on series one was Joanne McNally. And we know that she drives it like it's stolen. Yeah. And her biological age was 20. I honestly was so disgusted. I was like, how dare she? She doesn't deserve that at all. And she knows she doesn't deserve it. But you look at her and she looks good as well. Just bulletproof though. Like you feel that it wouldn't touch her. She'd be drinking on a Sunday evening and wake up Monday and do a run or something. I she does do that. I went out with her over Christmas and she kind of saved my Christmas, so I'm gonna do it next year again because we went out drinking. Well, we stayed in her house, it was our Christmas party, so it was just the two of us. And when I say I died, like I died after that and, she was like, What? I had drinks that night. And I was like, How is that fair? Some people just have it genetically. So yeah, some people are good at it. I'm not. I feel like you might have some genetic strength because when you came in today, we were talking about your mother, the delicious Sandra. Yeah. Do you say Sandra or Sandra? Sandra. Yeah. She's gonna be thrilled you brought her off because she spoke about you today. I know. She loves you. I love everything I see about that woman. The fashion carousels. I know. All filmed by my stepdad . I know. I mean, you have really good form for being a good wife and a good mother because of her. I I mean my mom is the kind of mom though, like I remember asking her once because this girl was like, I'm gonna get you like this thing about your star alignments. When were you born? Like what time? And I text my mom and I was like, Mom, what time was I born? And she goes, Are you crazy? How do you think I'd know that? And I was like, oh sorry, I thought you were there. She literally like I asked her about mom guilt. I was like, did you feel bad because you used to work so much as an air host? She goes, why would I? I was like, okay, fair enough. But Irish are built different. Oh, totally different. Yeah. So I listened to your audiobook. I can't listen because I don't have the attention span. So like if I listen to a book, it just goes and I haven't heard anything that's happened. Well, I was on tour and stuck in a car a lot with my tour manager. And we've toured together for years and years, so we know everything already about each other. It's gotta be audio books. And I loved yours. Thank you. Big mouth. Still available. And um I loved the most hearing about your childhood. I think people like were quite shocked by that. I Spenny in particular was like, oh my God, that and I'm like, that's an Irish childhood. Does it sound bad to you? People are like, what? Like you were dragged up. I'm like, no, that's Ireland. We spent all our time in the pub with our parents, and that's kind of we had friends there. We collected beer mats. We had a nice time. It sounds like you had a nice time. And it sounds like you've always been famous. Like even in your town, even in your school, you were always louder or always like uh social, gregarious, whatever you wanna call it. You're always really pretty. Then you had this family that everybody knew about. Have you ever had an experience of not being famous in your life? I wasn't famous for any good reason back then. Like I was my auntie could barely speak to me for a few years because she was my year head and I'd just leave school and be like I would have got kick I got kicked out of my house. So like my my mum had nothing to do with me being in school and my mum didn't ever speak to my dad, which I really played played again played my way. So like I would just leave school and my poor auntie would be chasing me, being like, Vo, please don't go. And I'd be like, you'll have to ring my dad naomi because I'm not feeling well today and I'll find skip. I was an arsehole. Yeah. Yeah. You have to be. You kind of like I just did a lot what I wanted. And I remember they used to punish us like they suspended me for a week, but one of my friends was suspended at the same time. And I was living with my dad at the time and I was like, this is I've just done an extra holiday. Yeah. Didn't really make sense. Uh my parents did the same. They didn't they don't realize at that time that it just means your kids can do anything. My sister went to Mexico Mexico. Stop. At 13. Not by herself. Thir okay. At 13? With who? With a friend and her family. She said, like, oh, my mom said yes. And then got her own passport. She says, I'm going to dad's dad, I'm going to mom's and she was in Mexico. Mexico I did that with Spain, but I didn't go with a family. I went with my friend when we were seventeen and I s I stole all the money from my dad to go because he was a car salesman.. Yeah So like he used to have like walls of cash beside his bed and I just like I was a great pick pickpocket. I don't steal anymore. It's gonna sound like this husband. He's gone now. Oh yeah. This husband has like inherited billions. I don't know if it's billions. Maybe it is. Maybe it is. I'm excited about it. I always like when people when people marry well. I d I yeah, I know. We were talking about that and I didn't like I married well in in a lot of ways because his parents are actually so sound and like I haven't always gotten on as well with uh boyfriends and partners' parents, but with them like I genuinely really enjoy their company and we spend a lot of time together. But you had a pretty posh childhood as well. And I remember when I first met you on another show with Jimmy Carr actually. I think it was uh you and Spencer both came on. I was like, oh you can be posh in Ireland. I didn't know that because my Irish family weren't. Yeah. And then you talk in your book about how you didn't even realize you lived in this really big house and people were like, ooh. Yeah, well I I grew up first of all we didn't have a lot for a long time in my childhood. And then um my mom met my stepdad and we still he wasn't like minted or anything, but like he we had a three bedroom house in a nice area and then uh and then my stepdad made a lot of money, and then we moved to this massive house. And I actually didn't like being the person in the massive house because you just want to be hanging out with your friends, like I just wanted to be down where they were, I was up around the hill, and like I wasn't really allowed out because my stepdad we we had everything we needed in the house and we should be happy to be there. And like he was very, very strict. But it was a really weird thing. I actually went back to view that house. It was on sale. I couldn't afford it. But I was like, I'll just say that I can. So I went and I went and looked around it. And it's it's it's not as big as I remember, but it was uh it was a really nice place to grow up. But a weird thing growing up um when you don't have any money and then like you're suddenly rich bitch, I think I called the the chapter. Yeah, rich bitch. Rich. It's a good chapter. It's like a movie, like a nineties movie that we all want to be in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Like the princess bride. Rich bitch. Do you think that your children will be the same way? Because my I I think both of us are raising our children really well. They're certainly not being dragged up. They have everything they could want. They go to nice schools. They have each other. We bring them everywhere with us. My oldest daughter just wants disposable cheap clothing from overseas. You know what I mean? Some of those websites. I liked the way you said overseas noise. Yeah. I really thought about each word, but d disposable, non-sustainable. She just wants like cheap shit. She wants to go down to like central London with her friends and wear this like horrible. I mean, I love her, but all of the wonderful things that I think I'm giving her, she doesn't want those things. Yeah. They j you just wanna be with your friends, you just wanna be the same as everybody else. You just wanna wear the cheap shit that everyone else is wearing. You don't wanna like stick out like you kind of you turn into a uniform guy when your kids like you just do. Do you not remember going out and like freezing but refusing to wear a jumper even? And you just sit in walls and just be free. Like I couldn't bear that. But that's kind of what kids do. And I just I think with my kids, like they're very lucky, we go on nice holidays and stuff, but I ha I got given a job when I was sixteen and I think it's so important for kids to understand the value of money and like T was looking at Halloween costumes, I know. Listen, it's so far in advance. And he's like, This one's only 25 pounds. And I was like, go get me 25 pounds from upstairs then. And like, because he just doesn't know what 25 pounds is because he has a little money box and and he just like I just want them to understand the value of money so that they realize actually it's it's it takes a long time to earn twenty five pence. Well you're doing better than me. I haven't taught my kids any of that. None of it. We're still in the middle of it. What do you think was your best age looking back? I honestly, and I'm not just saying this because I'm 40, but I think like late 30s, early 40s, when you kind of have things figured out a bit more, you're less hopefully like struggling with stuff. Um you're you you kind of know what you want. Like I was wild in my twenties, really wild. I'm so glad there was no camera phones or anything like that. God and then thirties like kinda had my wild moments too and now I just feel like I I I get it. I n I know what I what I want and like what I want to do in my career and all that stuff and it kinda comes at a later age.. Hmm Was turning 40 weird for you? Or did you embrace it? I embraced it. I just thought, at least I'm not dead. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Because I went through did you ever go through that phase when you had kids of being terrified of dying? Yes. My God, I used to see old people on the street and I'd be like , what's wrong? And I'd be like, they just they must be so worried. You'd be like, why? I'd be like, well they're clearly nearly nearly gonna die. Yeah. I wonder if that's all they think about. And then I said it to my mom once, and she was like, Don't bring that up with me. I know. She'll never die. No, she won't. I feel like I might get to 90 and I'd be happy with that. But even when I'm 90, I know I'm not gonna want to die. It's so scary. Do you have very old people in your family? Uh yeah. Yeah. Well, like, not that old. What's very old, C says? Well 90. Like some people have family members that go, yeah, my great grand dad's a hundred and four and so and so's a hundred and ninety-seven and I don't have that. Oh no, all grandparents dead and I've lost one parent, but my dad would have been like eighty-two or something now. So like you me they're kinda older. And what age was your dad again when he died? Sixty eight sixty-eight, yes. And I wonder at the time did you feel like that was old? No. No. Okay. But no, he he lived a life he lived by the sword and died by the sword. He had fun . I uh I think it's cool that you had a dad like that. Yeah. Because it seems to me, knowing a little bit about you, that his spark, like that little naughtiness that he had is very much alive in you, but you've harnessed it along with like ice baths and running. You know, you were like a a great version of that. I can go, go, go. And then I stopped. Yeah, he just had no off foot and but he um I always say that he died of fun because like he just I remember he had like two heart attacks in one day and then he was found hanging out of hospital window smoking. Great. So that was just the way he was gonna be. It was nice of him to go out the window. My granddad would have smoked in the hospital bad and been like, and Yeah, yeah, with an oxygen tank posidum. Grant. It was great to be a granddad. Those men could really just do whatever they wanted to do. I know, but they I just think that back in the day things that we don't know now that's why sometimes I think some things are ridiculous. So like when you look at back in the day it's like are we going too much into the health and stuff now? I like to be healthy but I don't like to be like insane about it. Like the I watch some people's biohacking things and I'm like your morning routine. And those people who get up at three forty five, why? I know. Stay in bed. What time are they going to bed? I know. Well, we have seen on this podcast, and this is something I'm actually worried about with you, is you talk about those people the way I look at you because you can overdo it. And we've we've seen people elite athletes, their results come back higher. Really? Because they don't have enough recovery time. Now you look at the biohackers as doing too much. I know you very well parasocially through your Instagram. Yeah. And that body. I mean, I see you working out. You got this like flexi app. Yeah. Don't know what that is, don't want to know. You're running. I'll give you a free coat. You're skiing in your knickers, or maybe a bikini. Yeah. Uh, you look like an elite- an elite athlete. You and your husband. I don't, I think people think I train a lot more than I do. Tell us you train a lot more than you do, because if you're not training as much as it looks like you're training, then why am I fat? I would say I would say I'm active. Like I I'm active all the time. Like I think I ha I have r I I never ever sit still. Like I once went to a therapist and I was like, please help me. And he was like, What's wrong with you? I was like, I just can't stop. And I really want to stop. And he was like, It's just your personality. Like, this is what you've always been like. And I'm like, I just want to sit down. Like, I can't really go to the cinema. It gives me the fear to think of going to the cinema because I'm like, I can't then I'll have to sit down. And I went to see that one with the what's it called? The table tennis one. Oh, oh yes, uh, Marty Supreme. Marty Supreme. I had to take two breaks in the everyman and I went outside and I looked at the Christmas tree for like five or six minutes. I was like, I can't sit here. It's two hours, 20 minutes long. But with training, that's what I do. So like with training, I do 30 minutes, like weight training kind of maybe four or five times a week, and then I'll try and run like three K maybe three times a week. But like I walk the kids to school, I cycle auto to nursery. Like that's I kinda So when you're always active and moving around, is that stillness for you? Yeah. Yeah. So Marty Supreme, you're sat still, he's playing pong ping-pong. Yeah. That's bad for you. But if your body's moving, your mind is quiet. Yeah, yeah. Oh. Because my mind is never quiet. Like Spenny's asked me. He's like, what's it like in there? And I'm like, it's always there's something always happening. What's it like in there? He says? I'm never alone . Did you have a hand in inspiring your husband to stop drinking and start running around? I think when somebody has issues around drink and stuff like that, I I've always known that you can't you can't ask somebody to stop. You can't force them to stop because they have to want to do it for themselves. Like even with my dad, I said he was fond of the drink, like he was very fond of the drink. And I kind of was always around that for my whole life. And I remember when I was pregnant with Theodore and things were kind of getting out of hand a little bit with Spenny and his drinking and I just turned around to him and I said, This isn't really the life for me. And if you want to keep doing this, that's totally cool. But I'm just not going to be around for it. So although it was kind of like an ultimatum, I wasn't saying you have to stop. I was just saying I just don't want this. And uh and then I think he took a step back and was like, okay, it kind of is. Even even within himself, he kind of felt like that he was just not achieving the things that he did. And if you look at him six or seven years ago or eight years ago when we met, like his life was so, so different. And like the stuff that he's achieved now, he never would have achieved back then then. So but like it's a tough thing to do. And it's I don't think it's something that you can ask someone to do. I'm glad that he did it, but there's always room for improvement, isn't there? See you're a good wife. I think that's why it's it's great to be divorced in a way, because they know you will leave. Oh yeah. You're like, guess what? I have left men in the dust before and I'll do it again. And it's expected of me. Like my my brother, when I was married the first time, when I was when I was getting married, he was living in Australia and I was like, Oh, this is the date of the wedding, blah blah blah blah. And eventually he was like, Listen, I can't I can't go, like I can't get back , but but I will go to the next one. That's funny. And he did. He came to the next one. Fine. Fine. You've had three marriages or two. Two. Two. Thank you though. Two's fine. Well, because I remember in the book of course the marriage chapter , just two is not a lot. Two isn't a lot. I think forgive yourself for two. And you were so young with the first one. I was twenty six. And you didn't have kids. Mm-hmm. And that's that's like it never even happened. Sometimes it is. I yeah. If you divorce someone and you've got kids, it is a bit of an admin nightmare. People do it. But if you didn't do that, it doesn't count, I say. No. I I agree. I think between us and everyone listening, I he lives in England, so it's fine, but I think my husband drinks a bit too much. And I think there are reasons people do that. I I've tried to influence kind of a Spencer Matthews glow-up in him. I've been like, you could be because my husband also values fitness and all these other things. Yeah. But yeah, two things are wrong with that is I don't have the hot, like coolness that you've had to go, this really isn't the life for me. I might go. He knows that we have too many kids. I'm not taking them anywhere. You could easily do it if you wanted. Maybe I will. Let him let him think that at least. You're like, dude, I am gone. It'll be like, nice try. In what seven seater SUV are you gonna take all these kids out of here? Imagine trying to date now, but like your four kids. Imagine me with three, they'd be like uh but my stepdad took my mom on took her on took her took her on but I do say that I'm like are you and we weren't normal kids like we were completely deranged. Yeah. My brother was kind of normal, but me and my sister were not normal. And like I remember when he he was trying to read he was trying to like bond with us, I suppose. Like we were in the house and he was trying to hobbit, and we were bouncing from bed to bed to bed to bed. Absolutely lost as shit. I'm going to never try it again. But like he was trying to be all Bondi. But imagine taking on three kids like us. That's the magic of Sandra. That's it. Sandra can do anything she wants. And if they fight, her punishment for him is that he's not allowed make her breakfast in bed . That's her actual she's like, I don't want it, I won't have breakfast in bed today. Like, fine. She's so elegant. I picture her in bed just wearing a beautiful hat, like maybe some type of like turban, like a matching robe, all silk. Just like keep your breakfast. I got men lining up around this town to bring me breakfast. Yeah, she's pretty amazing like that. How old do you feel? I feel I feel as fit as I did in my twenties. Yeah. The only time I felt old was when I did gladiators, but that's a different kind of fit fitness. And I was literally like, I am old and battered. I was in bits. Couldn't walk probably for a week after it. Yeah. Oh, because that looks like a really fun show. It's really fun, but it's like it's really it's like a lot of endurance. Like these are f the thittest of the fittest people. So do you train for it like you would practice for strictly or you just go and fight? I didn't. I didn't for s no. Well they said you can't really w how I can't train to be a gladi ator. Seems like maybe up the strength training a bit, have those paddles, just have a go. The f ight the kids. I didn't. And I got battered. I'm sorry about that. Well, I I've really enjoyed it. I would do it again, ten out of ten. You're always up for a challenge, which feels very young, like the jump where you met Spencer. God, I'd love to do that show again. But you love skiing anyway. I love skiing. I love a ski holiday because I do love being now like skiing involves going on the piss as well. You've got your opera ski. Like, I'm not I do enjoy I'm a binge drinker, so I don't like the taste of alcohol, and that's probably why Never. Wine especially I wouldn't drink. Unless like we're talking like at the end of a party and there's absolutely no booze left. That's the only time I ever drink wine. That could be good for the test. You could drink anything at that stage though, but like because you can't taste anything. So what do you drink then when you're When I drink, I would drink a tequila and dash, you know, the lime, lemon lime dash, because that kind of tastes like sweets or vodka dye coke or champagne. Nice. And that's kind of that's my only list. Vogue, I don't know if this is xenophobic, uh like if it's stereotyping you in any way as being Irish and I'm apologizing if it does. But I've heard of people drinking Guinness and splitting the G. Okay. Is that a special talent that you hold? Yeah, because you know how much I like alcohol. I love the taste. Do you like warm flat Guinness? Oh my god, it's so weird. Yes. Okay. I love warm flat Guinness. We've got that in for you, and I would love it if you'd show me a beat split. Oh my god, imagine I puked all over your that's fine, you can get a rug. Okay, split the G . No. Thank you. Thank you so much. Oh my god, that is a shameful poor of Guinness. Even I know that that's Yeah you don't have to swallow it. Okay . Oh no. Yeah, so that's it. That's how you split the G. Thank you. Now I know . I told you. I don't know how much is in that. I honestly felt like I'd done really well there. Yeah, you did. So that's me. When I go to Ireland, I'm gonna tell people, guess what? I've learned from Vogue Williams how to split the G . I am one of you you. Thank for teaching me that. I thought you meant har p. Do you know? It's a really good effort. This episode of What's My Age Again is sponsored by MedExpress, the UK online pharmacy. If you've been trying to manage your weight but feel like nothing's really working, MedExpress connects you with UK registered clinicians who assess your situation and create a treatment plan to support your weight management goals. 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There's never been more choice over what to put on the box with an abundance of great new shows , but you can miss them all if you don't know where to look. And that's where the Pilot TV podcast comes in, your essential guide to every show that matters. Each week we sift through the very best in Prestige TV to help you decide what's worth spending your time on and what isn't. So join me, James Dyer, as well as venerable TV critics Boyd Hilton and Kay Rivero, and let us help take the stress out of your downtime, the Pilot TV podcast. Because you can't watch everything. And what would you eat in a normal week? Like good stuff and bad stuff? Uh good stuff. I every day I have eggs, toast, some avocado, or cheese cheese on toast for breakfast. I do I sometimes like to have a bell of special cave, but that's just full of shit. But I really love cereal. Like I love cocoa bops. I love I veer towards like I want sweets all the time. I I love marshmallow s. I love dip dabs. I love like stinger bars, like those chewy refresher bars. You can get stinger ones in Ireland. Um but I don't eat them that much. I do eat chocolate most days. Um lunch I had a sandwich for lunch, coleslaw bree and ham, which was delicious. And then uh and for dinner, I don't know what I'll have like steak and potatoes or something. So you eat really well, you're really active. Well, I eat well-ish, yeah. That's really well compared to how I eat, I think. How do you eat? What you 've described good things. Like what you have, you're right. Yeah, but you're up so early and you're tired and when you're tired you just wanna eat shit. I'll eat anything. Like I'll eat out of the sink . Like if I've put something sorry, no, all the cooking that you guys do. Well cooking your food and I'm like, wow. So Bobby cooks he doesn't really let me in the kitchen. He's funny. Yeah, he's really got his like zone. Um, but then I'll eat leftover gusto like for breakfast. So I might have like a Thai curry for breakfast and like some of a burger later. I boil eggs a lot, but I'll eat sugar. I really like Snickers. I like ice cream. I love a Snickers. I don't love ice cream that much. I could live a life with no ice cream, but I I have chocolate I bring chocolate home from Ireland. Like I won't eat the chocolate here. So I bring these bars are about that size, that and a star bar dairy milk. I bring like I'll spend a hundred quid in the airport and then that will do me for a few months. Very nice. Yeah. Of your challenging shows, and there have been many. Yeah. The jump. Where you were loving your life. You were single. Didn't you say you were like kind of seeing someone else or you didn't be seeing anyone? I was kind of that's what I was doing my uh which I would suggest that everybody does when they're single. I don't know if it's a mean thing, but I think that you need a few people on the go. Three, the three rule. At least three. You had at least three. Oh I, know I wasn't even kissing them all. Like I was just some of them were just textures. Great. Um that I was gonna go on dates with. But I think that I have a tendency to like meet somebody and fall madly in love with them like so quick. So I was like, right, I need to not do that. So I was like having a few people on the go. So your attention is kind of dispersed amongst different people. And then I met Spenny, and I think because I wasn't that interested because I had all these other people I was texting, it kind of worked really well for us. Yeah. You did the Sandra, you can't bring me breakfast in bed. This is the energy that we should all have. Yeah, yeah. Well I tried to do that for a while. And then when we try and work out when we started officially dating, I think we came up with a date of around March. Fine. So of all of your very challenging shows, The Jump, The Jungle, which would you say was the most challenging? The Jungle. It was really hard. Yeah. I because I wasn't expecting it. Because I did um I did bear grills and although that was really hard and we were like sleeping we basically were sleeping on the floor at the end of it in the jungle with like scorpions around us. We'd kind of been eased into that. I think with the jungle, like I'm so obsessed with sleep that when I arrived there, I was quite jet-lagged. And then when I had to go into the jungle, I was so jet-lagged. And so it's hard to get an old sleeping tablet in there because like there's a fire that goes on all night. They're really weird about giving you stuff. Yeah. And so uh so the first night I'd say I slept because it's so loud as well that the there's these frogs that just scream all night long. And like honestly, we thought it was part of the show, but it was just these screeching frogs at night. Um , and uh and m I was just I had really bad sleep the first night, like an hour, and then the second night it happened again, and then we were taken into the jungle that night, and cockroaches poured all over our heads, and having a freezing cold shower at like midnight, we kind of worked it out. And then I had a mental breakdown. It was like like Kenoni uh I like I've had like panic attacks this was verting on one and I'm sitting in the in the thing and I was like I just they didn't air it which was really nice, yeah, because obviously I looked completely insane. And it was all down to sleep and knowing how anxious I'd be if I didn't sleep and not being able to do a whole day on such little sleep. And then they eventually gave me a sleeping tablet and then I was fine. And then I loved it. And then I loved sleeping outside and I missed sleeping outside. But that the starvation in there and nothing tasting of anything. Like I remember we got sweet corn and that tasted like something. Nothing else tasted of food. I love it. I love Zappa Clown. I can't believe it was so bad that they didn't air it. Because they're trying to push you less so now with health and safety. They're very good on the old uh mental health, I have to say. But still they're trying to push a reaction out of you. So the fact that they did not air it. No, I must have looked completely berserk. I So with regards to the Menti B that you described and the panic attacks and the anxiety, paint me a picture of like what that has looked like for you growing up and what it looks like now. Never really noticed this until I got to about the age of twenty-seven, twenty-eight. Um had I haven't had that many panic attacks. Um I had one when I first w when I first kind of started happening to me um and I took myself to hospital and everything and I uh like they had me hooked up to this heart machine and I was like great I'm gonna die like my dad Oh yeah and then uh and then and then it was kind of fine but like I do have tablets and I always will have them but I don't remember the last time I took one now . I've learnt ways to manage it and that's probably why I am active all the time. Um it's why I don't drink as much as as I should as I should. It's a great answer. I'm trying to build it up. But like I would have so I'd drink and then the next day I'd be fine 'cause I'd be having loads of fun. And then I would die for like three days after of anxiety. And I was like, it's actually just not worth it. It's only worth it the odd time for me. And but like I've had a couple of panic attacks over and they're over nothing. They're like they're really embarrassing. Like I had one with spenny when we were away in Italy and I remember looking at his face and thinking he thinks I am insane . And then we woke up the next day and he was like, Are you okay? And I was like, Yeah. When you were before you were married. No, thank God we were married because he wouldn't have married me after that. I was sitting on the balcony at three A.M. with a notebook. Ooh. I was like, this is insane. Well you can't describe it, but I'm lucky that like I I do kind of see the funny side of anxiety, but it's something that you cannot get rid of. It always is it lingers and like you just kind of can tone it down a bit sometimes, but then like anything could set me off. Like something so ridiculous. It's usually around something to do with the kids and it's always around sleep as well. Um but I think I've got a decent enough hold on it now. And did it get worse when you were pregnant or when you had the kids? It was quite bad during one pregnancy. Um and then you have all the panic with the kids anyway. So like you're just worried about stuff all the time and there's just that constant worry and trying to keep up with stuff. But it's kind of it's it's quite good at the moment. I should touch wood. Touch my head three times. There you go, yeah. Yeah. Did you always know that you wanted a big family? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I always loved dolls when I was younger and looking like I used to ask for an ironing board for Christmas and stuff. Like I loved all of it. Um and I was always very maternal and I I I yeah, I always wanted to have quite a lot of kids. But then I kind of thought when I got divorced when I was thirty, 'cause you know you have these milestones and you're like, I want to own a house. I want to have kids and be married by the time I'm 30. And then I got divorced when I was 30 and I was like, I'm gonna die alone. Yeah. Um, but it doesn't always work out like that obviously. It's amazing you look back how young you were and you thought this is my last chance at this job or that business or this love. It's crazy. You're like, you were 17 . I remember watching Mox Miss Teen America or what was it called? Miss Teen USA. Okay. Because I was a huge Donald Trump fan, even back then. Um, and I would watch it and I remember you own a gas. And uh I thought, oh, I'm too old to ever win this. Leave out. I was brutally ugly, had crazy teeth, could not be seen in a bikini. And I was like, no, I'll never win Miss Teen USA. I've passed that milestone. Like, huh? You do feel like, oh great. Well that's never gonna happen tonight. Yeah. I remember we I went to French school and the teacher was describing us what New Year's was and she's like, it's a chance to like start again. I was like five years old, like I need a fresh start. This is a fresh , a new chapter that I badly need Was it difficult to get divorced? Like to actually go through with it. Did you try to get divorced loads of times before you got divorced? No, but I think when you when uh when I do breakup certainly, I do the long goodbye. So like I because I've always had long term relationships and and like I'll know that we're it's time to break up and then we'll get back together and then we'll break up and then we'll get back together. And it's a really long process . Um getting divorced was it's it's easy if everybody is willing to be amicable about it. Well, as much as you can be. And um my divorce lawyer text me recently because um she heard me talking about her on the pod . Emma. Emma Divorce. Um saved in the WhatsApp. Oh it's Emma Divorce. What does she know that I don't? Like she's seen Spencer Papp somewhere. It's like just checking in She um No, but it was it was relatively easy enough because we didn't have anything to split, not really. And like he didn't go after like my apartment or anything like that 'cause I owned that and like it was it was easy enough. We kind of fell out a bit over the dog, but I got the dog in the end. Yeah. Do you think that you had a lot of bad relationships growing up ? Um I think I've been in yeah. I've been in I've been in not great relationships. And there was always a reason for the breakup that was very, very valid. But I think that I also have a point where I'm just like, you know what? No, I'm not gonna put up with this anymore. And you kind of then I'll just be like, no. I'd be super loyal to people and like really prote ctive over people in my family or friends and stuff like that. Um and if I don't feel the same like kind of respect back, I kind of don't want to have someone like that in my life. And I don't I haven't lost many friends, but there's been a couple of friends over the years that I've lost that are just is is to do with trust issues and stuff like that. Do people like sell stories about you? No, but threaten to. No way. Yeah. And I'm like, guys, they're not gonna buy that shit. Like Friends, people who are your actual friends have verbally said. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Verbally said, yeah. Yeah. I know, I know. Yeah. I'm like, I'm like, who do you think you're gonna sell it to? Like, have you listened to my podcast? I'll say it myself. Go back a couple episodes. Probably covered it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. But other than that, actually, in terms of friends, which is really good for your biological age, from from what I see, yes, on your socials. I know you're busy with the kids and you're busy with your businesses and work and everything else, but you seem to have a really beautiful group of friends and support, and you're close to your sister, and you've got Joanne, and then I see you back in Ireland, and you got a big circle there. Yeah. Do you prioritize that intentionally ? I think I've always been really lucky with my friends. Uh, like my friends are the girls I met when I was in school when I was twelve. And then like they're my best friends, and then I have friends from town that I met when I was probably about eighteen, and a lot of them are still friends and my best friends. And then Amber is like, I think Amber and I are probably too close, but I think that that has to do with like like I'm always like Amber, if I die first, you can come with me and go in the grave beside me. Like we we agree . Can't wait for that. Take her down, take her down. But like I think that Amber and I grew up like in a situation that was different to other people, so it made us closer and um and we ring each other like honesty about five times a day and I think that we have that super special bond. Um, but it's really nice to have that, to just have somebody that literally has your back no matter what. It's a really nice feeling. I like the energy that you have in your friendships and your relationships and if we could all be more that way, like move forward without baggage from it, or like unfinished trauma . Oh god, I probably have trauma about some stuff. I just Yeah. I kinda no it's not like a stiff up or lift thing like like British people have. It's more like there's n I'm just not gonna dwell on stuff. Like shit things happen to loads of people and I always think if you were to like take someone else's problem off a tree, you'd probably put it back and take your own back. So like I try to put things into perspective. I sometimes feel really guilty about my life and I'm just like like when I see other people like struggling online and like all that, I'm like, like, why do I deserve this? And they're they're having that kind of a time. Because you're prettier than I am. That's I'll write that under their how it works. Be like, just look in the mirror and be like, Yeah, I deserve this trip to St. Bart's for free again. Excuse me, I have to pay for half that. You do? It's not fair. I pay for half of everything. I said that when I was on our first dates with Svenny, he was like, Oh, I'll get it. And I was like, No, you got the last one. And he's like, No, I'll get it. And then I was like, No, I like to pay for half. Don't ever say that. So don't ever say it. My daughter's friend, Lulu, is here, and I hear the girls talking. And I'm not saying that Lulu thinks this, I can't like attribute any beliefs or like manifestos to Lulu personally. But sometimes I hear the girls talking. And would you believe this new generation, the girls aren't paying? They aren't paying. They're not paying. They're like, I'll work. If not Lulu, maybe not Lulu. Lulu's Lulu's nodding. Nodding. Lulu doesn't look stupid. Well done, Lulu. They um because I think that we did feminism . In a necessary way. Yeah. But we've discounted the fact that we sacrifice so much more than they do. We sacrifice our bodies to further their legacy and ours. We have to work harder to get the same. Yeah. And we've lost this element of like fair courtship. And the young women are implementing again. They say, I'm gonna work hard. I'm gonna earn my own money. I'm gonna have this equality. However, you're paying for everything. I know. So I just really fucked up. Where did they get that from? It's kind of amazing. They must get it online somewhere. From the manosphere. From the manosphere. They're like, what you jerks? Can pick and choose the elements of the manosphere. But don't I wouldn't recommend doing that because I on my other podcast said I like some of the work ethic of the man of sphere voice and people got really upset. Oh God, I couldn't I couldn't bear them. No well, obviously. I come from a position of men are trash. But I was like like, I that that one gets up early and creates his own wealth and scams people at dawn and is going to work out. Scamming people all night. Well don't you think scamming people left, right, and center. I like him. My husband should learn to go scam a few people. Oh no, we should all just try and scam people overnight while we sleep. It would be nice. You pay for half of things in your marriage. I know. I know. I hate that about you. I know, and you know what drives me mad? Because you know when you get like when you get rotten comments like that you see, it's not things slagging off my looks that really bother me. It's when people are like, Oh, living off your husband and I'm like, if you want you fucking knew. Um, in terms of wealth, for those of our listeners, I don't know how you can ask me how much money I make. How much money do you have? No. I was gonna say I don't think there will be any of our listeners who don't already know about your podcast with Joanne McNally, my therapist ghosted me. But that blew up and surely through all your work and your businesses, but also like definitely the podcast and the touring off the back of the podcast. Yeah. It's not as though you're like, you know, a No, I know. I just think it's a it's an easy job, isn't it? Yeah. Well I remember when I first met Svenny, like people were literally like, Oh my god, who's this Irish bird he's going out with? I'm like, guys, sorry. They literally have a big house. Yeah. Read my book. It was a but it was honestly like they just thought that I was like scum of the earth because he's like so posh and so well spoken. And they're like this Irish blokey bird comes along. Blokey. I love that you describe yourself as you're like a I am a little bit blokey. I'm a little bit blokey. I'm here to bloke. How often are you mistaken for a bloke honestly? Like quite a lot on the phone. Well but they look good now and they s they have this voice thing they can do in Korea. On the phone. Like if I'm staying in a hotel, I'll be like, and can I have this, this, and this? And they're like, oh, is that everything, sir? And I'm like, Yeah, that it and I just leave it. I'm like, there's just no point in correcting them because it makes them embarrassed and it makes me embarrassed. You could maybe sound like a 14-year-old boy. Oh well that's nice. Do you know what I mean? Like when that one that can still do soprano in the school choir. Yeah. That could be it. Like a young, young sir. But me and Joanna talk about that sometimes and we're like we were always like mommies and daddies. We were daddies. Do you know what I mean? We were never, never like the girly girls. Um, and you kind of grow you kind of grow over that and you kind of stay in that mold. And I have massive hands as well. Same. Like in the school uh nativity, I wouldn't be an angel, I'd be a shepherd. Yeah. That was like I was Baloo the Bear because I I had the deepest voice of everyone in the class and it was a mixed school. Baloo the bear. And you'd be tall too. I'm a giant as well, yeah. And that is so beautiful now and like is amazing. Uh it's something I can't buy. I've tried. No as a young woman. No. It's hard. I hated being the giant. The giant with f no boobs and massive hands and a deep voice. It's not the way to go when you're a teenager. I like that you've stuck with the no boobs. I have stuck with that now because there's no chic. Sometimes I wouldn't mind a bit of a tiss. Please don't. Just a mini tiss. Well, good news, because I'm gonna get my implants out soon enough. I could rinse them off and send them your way. it's really kind. Um were all your pregnancies really straightforward? Yeah, all of them well always very sick. Yeah. Yeah. Like sitting up, going to sleep, kind of sickness. Awful. But like the there's an ama there's amazing tablets. But I was buying like when like when I was pregnant with Gigi I had to buy like additional tablets because I was so ill. And I just a girl. Yeah, I just thought like they're s they're so expensive. And if you what do they do with people who can't afford them? Like they just have to suffer. They don't really want to give women anything. They just want you to suffer. Oh god, it's horrendous. There's a certain honor to delivering the baby with no drugs. If someone says I loved the drugs. Yeah, yeah. I love all drugs. Oh my god. Under in a medical setting. Oh like the gas and air. I l I like I love that's like that's what I'll miss most about I honestly would put because I didn't know the first baby, I didn't know that once you took the epigeral, there was no more gas and air. Oh. So then for the next two, I really fucking held off for as long as I could. Psycho is at a festival for the whole day. It was brilliant. They can give you because I didn't drugs with any, I had gas and air, but no epidural, nothing. Yeah. So on the last baby, my last hurrah, I was like, talk to me. Like I sat down with the anesthetist and I was like, what do you have? I was in the Portland. I was like, surely you can give me the best of the best. They can give you a shot in your leg of s diamorphine, I think it is. But they don't want to give it to you. They're like, but you you know had nothing, just gas and air every pregnancy. But then there's another thing you can have if you can't have the epidural for whatever reason, and it is fentanyl. And it's a little button and it's like a short-acting fentanyl that you push during a contraction. But the guy counseled me about it. He's like, if you have that, you have to stay in the bed. We need like an extra nurse in here all the time because you can just fall asleep and die. Like you have to the fentanyl. Yeah. He's like, and you and the button is on a timer. So a if you've pressed it, you can't press it again for a bit. It's really short acting, so it only works for the contraction. You have to time it. I was like, forget it. Yep. I mean five months ago. Wow. But you don't want that. Well, I had I had an operation in the summer and I and they had they were giving me fentanyl and they were like, We'll give you the fentanyl first and I was like, Oh no, is that what killed Michael Jackson? And they're like, Yeah, we call it Jackson juice and I was like I was like, okay, go and then I was like, Wow. It's so nice. It's so but like I'd be scar like I don't know These what we've learned in a medical setting about these drugs is what you keep saying I'm not we don't think you're doing fentanyl at the weekends when Bobby. No. Let's go look at the grass, Bobby. But I wouldn't this is what we've learned. I w I love those drugs. I wouldn't be doing them in the park, in the street. That is so dangerous. Even like when everyone was soaking deodorant when I was younger, I was always too scared to do it. Because I was like, I heard someone died from it. So I was like, I can't suck the deodorant and everyone else will be soaking deodorant. Good. Yeah. What about like tweakments and treatments and stuff? You've been like really open about that stuff, which I like. The more downtime, the better. I actually was trying to work it out. I was like, how much of my year is spent in downtime and hiding? And then I'm like, doesn't that' its worth it? What are you into now? I adore Botox and I have this Botox woman who like transforms your whole face. Like Show me, like because I heard you talking about this on the podcast, but where is she doing it? So she's this woman and she's called Katrina Ryan and like she had a clothes waiting list. I'm like my entire name. She's the Irish you . I'm the Irish me . She's a with a C . Okay . She um she basically I went into her. My cousin got me on on her. In Ireland. Yeah. Like I fly home for her. Okay. Yeah. And she like when I first went in and she's really quick and she sees like 40 people a day and her winged listd is like shut shut um and like she just she put it she put it here, here, here, here, all obviously all the normal bits. And then she sh all put it in there and there. And I was like, what the and in the tip of my nose and I was like and I was I I left being like 'cause I'd never seen it before. I left and I was like oh am I gonna look ins ane. Yeah. 'Cause only get bad Botox sometimes you can look bad. And I left and I was like, there's nothing I can do about this. It's just gonna have to see what happens in a week. And a week later I was looking in the mirror and I was like, Who's that girl? So happy with myself. Isn't that interesting? So good Botox, but like pretty much anything I will get done. Like burn my face off. Yeah. Like have you done a CO2 laser? No, but that is a did you do one? No, I haven't. But we talk about it a lot in the office. I have to show you a picture of my mom because I got her to do Oh no, I just heard it hurts so much. My mum got it done. And then like and I hadn't mentioned it to her. She brought it to me and I said, Yeah, this girl that I know got it done and the results were great. And my mum got it done in like day two. She was like, why did you tell me to get it? Yes then cut two a week later and she was thrilled. Yeah. I mean it is a good result. But some people don't like I know like you talk about it a lot as well, but I know some people don't like to age like that. But like I do I do like to age like that. I just want to get loads of stuff. I find it fun . I love skincare. I love sitting there doing my skin bits every night. Like I just I really enjoyed. I feel like if I wasn't doing what I was doing, I'd be doing something skinny. Yeah. Yeah. I like that we openly love it. You're allowed to love it. Yeah. And if you don't love it, you don't have to do it. I was surprised that you went to the extent that you did and had to be both . Because you you mailed you on an eye and I was like, oh my gosh. And then you came in and said it publicly, I was like, geez . Do you know what I would say about being open about the facelift? Is once you do that, you never get a real compliment ever again. People comment on all my videos. Yeah, yeah. They go, oh, the facelift looks good. Oh, the facelift. And it'll be old videos when I hadn't had a facelift. And I'm like, no. People just embarrassed because they think you've cheated. And it's like, well, I wanted to cheat. I want to cheat. Yeah, of course. I'm doing the cheat codes everywhere I can. All right. How old do you think that you're gonna be on this biological age test? Okay, so I'm 40. Yes . If I'm anything above 30, I'm going to the pub as soon as I leave here. And I'm I'm gonna start vaping again. Anything above thirty will disappoint you. Well, because what's the point then? Yeah, but I was 77. I mean, Catherine, I'm going I,'m taking myself to the grave if I'm seventy . You have a lot of kids. Catherine, you're lining me up for bad news. Well I'm t I don't know what it is yet. It's under there. Okay . But I'm just thinking you've had experience, though you have a good handle on it with the exercise now, anxiety, panic attacks, that can induce some inflammation. Uh you're managing a household with three small kids, you have all these businesses. Now we know you're paying half disgraceful really paying half ages you does it i must go home and tell sponsor the news if you want a young looking wife you need to start paying more. Get a young an actual young wife and you can pay one hundred and twenty percent for her . And the crisis PR. I'll tell you what, if I get married again, touch what I don't, but if I do, I won't be paying half. 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On booking.com, finding a holiday home is easy. And relax . Booking.com, booking Doc? Yeah. Turn supply. Available on selected properties . Nicola has dedicated her career to human longevity. She is 86 years old herself. How old are you? I'm thirty eight. Yeah, but how old are you with this thing? Twenty. Oh, for God's sake, Catherine. We know but don't worry, if it's bad news, Nicola will tell you something to do about it. Because it's fun news I'll start drinking and vaping. Okay. Well we don't want that. Are you ready? For us to reveal your biological age. Yeah. Vogue Williams, your chronological age is 40. Your biological age is 25. I'm still five years older than Joanne. I knew you were gonna say that. She is never gonna drop this. I told her I was on the way to do this, and she's like, ring me after. Because she's child free. Twenty-five is great.. Ye Yeahah. It's really good. So thank God. Because of Katrina Ryan's work, we can't tell how you feel about it. So this is a this is a really good result, but Oh no. Oh my oldest one. Because if you remember, you were gonna come on a previous series and we actually did your test a year ago, exactly a year before this test , and it was a very different result. Stop . So a year ago, it actually came out as 44. No , I would have been ill . No . Yeah. And I have to say, I was drinking and vaping back then. So what I was gonna ask is exactly that. What have you changed in this year because it has had a signific ant response. When? did we do it We did it literally a year before the date now, Mar ch . I was I was I hadn't given up the vaping then. I had to get hypnotized for that. I was vaping a lot. And uh and drinking. And then when I drank, I smoked. Okay. So so this so I was really quite excited about this and I'm so glad that there has been something that you've changed because this really does show that these things have a big impact. But the important thing is that changing things can massively impact and improve the results. And this is what, it's a year. So in the grand scheme of things, that's that's not long to get such a significant change when you've changed something in your lifestyle and it just shows how important lifestyle is and that it really is in your hands. So yeah, stress and everything I.'m so glad. I'm just thinking m I could have been anxious back then as well. I mean the other thing is, you know, we know that if there's anything, you know, if there was something significant that had happened around that time, that was something else I was maybe gonna ask if you can remember those things can temporarily flare up inflammation because this test does measure inflammation, even periods of illness, things like that. But the fact that for yeah so forty four. So yeah, I bet you're glad you came and did this series. God, I never would imagine I am preaching in my life story. Like anything above 30, I'm out of here. I'm so glad you came back. Like God, we couldn't make the last one work. Yeah. But we we know that obviously vaping, alcohol, both of those things put the body in a state of inflammation. No, I wouldn't have drank that much to be honest with you even back then, but I think even drinking like once a week would drag my anxiety into the next week and stuff like that. So maybe maybe that's a good idea. Sleep um you know, alcohol