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How can Democrats persuade more voters to like them? (with Ben Rhodes, Obama’s former senior advisor)

Jun 26, 202642 min
Summary

In this episode of Americast, hosts interview Ben Rhodes, a former senior advisor to Barack Obama, to explore the future of the Democratic Party and how it can effectively connect with a broader swath of American voters. Rhodes argues that the left has struggled to counter right-wing messaging, partly because it has failed to build the same kind of robust media ecosystems and cultural influence that conservatives have established over the last decade. A major theme of the conversation is the necessity for Democrats to embrace authenticity and vulnerability. Rhodes criticizes modern political communication for being overly cautious, jargon-heavy, and disconnected from the everyday concerns of the working class. He reflects on key historical speeches, including Obama’s landmark address on race in 2008, to highlight how personal, nuanced storytelling can bridge divides and build a multiracial coalition. He suggests that Democrats often fall into the trap of being too "grim" or "angry," arguing instead for a more joyful and fearless political approach. Ultimately, Rhodes emphasizes that voters are looking for genuine connection and leadership that stands for something tangible, urging the party to move past safe political talking points to foster a shared sense of American identity.

Updated Jul 5, 2026

About This Episode

What should Democrats be doing when it comes to challenging Donald Trump, and in particular, why are Democrat politicians struggling to connect with voters? In this episode, Ben Rhodes joins Americast and gives Justin his current view on the Democrats (and whether they should avoid lecturing voters) plus, why Republicans have been more successful at getting their message out in the digital sphere. What are they doing more effectively than the Democrats?

Ben Rhodes was a speech writer and Deputy National Security Advisor to President Obama and is now the co-host of the popular Pod Save the World podcast. They also discuss Ben’s latest book “All We Say: The Battle for American Identity” which explores American history through the lens of 15 speeches; from Benjamin Franklin to President Trump.

Are we living through a unique moment in time or can we learn more about our present through a study of the past? Have arguments over immigration, citizenry, race and religion always been part of the American story? And, as negotiations continue between the US and Iran, Ben Rhodes gives us an inside view after his experience negotiating the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) directly with Iran in 2015. What sort of deal could Trump strike with Iran and should we trust it?

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HOSTS: • Justin Webb, Radio 4 presenter

GUEST: • Ben Rhodes, former Deputy National Security Advisor under President Obama and author of All We Say: The Battle for American Identity, A History in 15 Speeches

This episode was made by Alix Pickles, Bethan Ashmead Latham, Purvee Pattni and Tom Gillett. The technical producer was Rohan Madison. The series producer is Purvee Pattni. The senior news editor is Sam Bonham.

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